So Stan, you are right of course. The deal here is expectations vs. delivery. Running-in (or sorting out) is the key complaint here wrt JPS modus operandi, at least in these two cases. Also the part about saying one thing, and doing another; promisses missed. Hard lessons learned. You get the car John knows how to build -- which, since it is he that builds 'em, seems an obvious conclusion, if you think about it. To say he puts up a fair weather toy, is a fair statement -- the man lives in SoCal, so what else could be expected? Please also note that Tom and I both still love our cars, and think they are way cool. Was I disapointed that I had a few too many maladjustments in my unit? yes, it is true. On the other hand, having owned two used P-cars in another lifetime, I knew what I was getting into: you will have to tinker. I was prepared to do that, just not so much all at once. Was I pissed at John on a few occassions? Yes. Do I think he delivered an unacceptable POS? No. He is not Henry, and does not want to be. The differences center around cost/price. John's business model calls for affordability. He claims to have been doing this for 17 years, so I guess something is working. He also claims this business is fun, and it does not make him rich. I think I believe that too.