@edsnova ditto!...enquiring minds need to know...sounds to me like this david guy @David K has the ways & means to do some "in person" investigating...and sounds like he is on shall we say "speaking terms" with mr. steve lawing aka mr. ponzi.....he should do us all a favor and show up there in knoxville tenn with his cell phone and snap some photos & perhaps do an interview with this guy...and then report here with his findings....i still cant believe he is still answering his phone and talking to people about building cars!.....he is just a painful memory to me , but i would think he would be in hiding somewhere and not at all accessible or else a large group of folks would be in his face on a daily basis...along with their lawyers!...i would sure like to hear about justice being served against this guy for the grief he has caused....but that's just me....in what has become a SURREAL world, not sure justice is obtainable anymore when "career criminals" are held truly accountable...if you get my point