could be a new tesla
In an effort to be fair and honest with forum members and others, I have at least partial updates about some businesses and their operations. I also wanted to give Patrick Crane a fair shake and the chance to explain his company strategy. I appreciated his accessibility. If anyone else has further details or corrections, they are welcome to post.
According to Patrick Crane, co-owner of JPS Classics, LLC, he wants to offer customers "Classic" replicas. He didn't clarify what a "Classic" is or what is a "Non-Classic". But when it comes to a "Classic", that is when he wants to come into play.
JPS Classics, LLC (a 2-owner corporation) apparently discusses the customer's desires and puts together a "Classic" package. He then orders the customer's car to be built by JPS Motorsports (owned by 1 of the 2 owners of JPS Classics, LLC). Mr. Crane says, "Yes, you get the picture. Except that we are all under the same roof but I'm responsible for the build." He was referring to only his "Classic" build.
I did finally get one email from John Steele. Basically nothing has changed except that the car wasn't sold back when he said and is available for sale now. I don't think I own a car so have no clue what that has to do with me. The take-away is that there is still no quick/easy solution in sight.
I have no other information I can share.
4BANGER: Man, you have got a tough row to hoe, hope you start catching some breaks.
I've had two cars built by two different builders. I was quietly FINE until I saw the ownership paperwork and picked up the cars at the pier. I spent a chunk of change on travel & lodging following my money. Can't say how it affected the build, but it helped my paranoia.
My experience has been that contracts are mental *********ion unless all involved, are willing & able to do what was agreed. Stuff happens, it's not just bad actors like 4BANGER is dancing with. Builds can get delayed for a bunch of legitimate reasons.
I'm not doing the hindsight thing. I got the cars built becauseI WAS DAMN LUCKY. Essentially, aside from lots of delays, the builders I used chose to do what was agreed. I doubt I had any more data on the builders I used than 4BANGER had. It's scary random.
IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO LOSE PART OR ALL OF THE COST OF THE BUILD, IT MAY BE WISE TO FIND ANOTHER WAY. HAVING A CAR BUILT IS NO NET FLYING, YOU CAN GET SERIOUSLY HURT.
EWATUB. Couldn't have said it better myself. I have met a good builder and visited his place. I trusted him with some business and he came through and then some. But regarding guarantees?...if I can't drive and inspect it, I don't buy. A well written contract is mostly for the lawyers. Where you deposit your money while a build is in progress is key.
My plight will never be over. This week marks 1 year past the build, registration and delivery date John Steele set himself. I have neither my money nor the car he promised. New customers can do what they wish and believe what they want dealing with a John Steele business. Your "got lucky" comment is on time. I have a set of rose colored glasses they can have as I will not be using them any more.
Big box business's do not have their trucks in that company name and create a subsidiary or complete separate entity. Looks to be the same with JPS as Crane seems to be the upfront guy then sublets the build to Steele which we'll assume both wash their hands of responsibility. Kinda like woodgrain siding from Armstong Inc. ( some won't get that ) Not PC correct but here goes, I can't decide who the pivot man is ...Crane or Steele.
Now that's both true and funny Alan! I get that reference.......(do you get mine?)
eggzackery
Imagine if they used the creativity to build cars instead of rooking folks. Hope the Karma score keepers are watching.
Alan: I always wondered how that was spelled, thanks.
Before I forget, I apologize to all I may have offended with my mental "bleep" comment on contracts. Going forward, I'll watch it.
This forum is kinda cool. Alan expanded my vocabulary/spelling, I think I got censored and Olivia did not wipe us out. Not too shabby.
I know, shut up & move on.
Ewatub posted:Before I forget, I apologize to all I may have offended with my mental "bleep" comment on contracts. Going forward, I'll watch it.
This forum is kinda cool. Alan expanded my vocabulary/spelling, I think I got censored and Olivia did not wipe us out. Not too shabby.
I know, shut up & move on.
We've all been bleeped once or twice, especially concerning this topic and one other similar topic.
Stan Galat posted:Chicken.
Pot.
Pie!
Don't get all in a huff, Stan; I still like chicken pot pie
Chicken pot PIEEEEEEE!!!!!
So CA Triumph, were you Ewatub or 4banger? I’m getting cornfoozed.
Hi Stan: not sure of much, but am sure I'm not CA Triumph or 4banger.
He's another "satisfied" JPS customer. And I am owed $20k...not $2500. No car and no money. Glad he went after Ol John and JPS. Rest assured I'm not through with him.
CA Triumph: You did good getting your car & getting it sorted out. Time to enjoy, go4it.
Can anyone suggest a San Diego or San Marcos, Ca. attorney for consultation?
The last I read, you were pretty confident you were going to get your car. Has that changed? Why do you feel the need to consult an attorney?
I will call it a holding pattern Troy. Yes pretty confident all considered.
I have been in touch enough, and what I have seen keeps me on the confident side.
Sorry not to elaborate more, but in the end lets see what I have got. And I'll share.
The consult would be to know that avenue of action. Cup half full!...
Progress...
And another I know of completed...
Still holding...