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Panhandle Bob posted:

I thought the badging that needed to be avoided for e-bay were the Porsche scripts, Carrera or the actual logo on the frunk handle.

Perhaps I am mistaken.

You're correct. It's Porsche logos and Carrera, not Speedster. 

Porsche in the heading (twice) even if saying replica and the logo on the frunk (can't really read it, would be the issues

OK. So it isn't just the badging, it's the reference to Porsche in the write up?

Wow! If the term "Porsche replica" or similar language clearly stating that the car is not an authentic Porsche  is used to identify the vehicles appearance it seems nuts that they could pull an advertisement.

The seller using that language would be telling the truth. There is a penalty for honesty?

Let's see if the ad is left alone or not over the next few days.

Panhandle Bob posted:

OK. So it isn't just the badging, it's the reference to Porsche in the write up?

Wow! If the term "Porsche replica" or similar language clearly stating that the car is not an authentic Porsche  is used to identify the vehicles appearance it seems nuts that they could pull an advertisement.

The seller using that language would be telling the truth. There is a penalty for honesty?

Let's see if the ad is left alone or not over the next few days.

I'm sure not a Lawyer, but I'm guessing that Porsche for real understands as you may not or not then agree with anyway,  that anything with the word Porsche adds some value to any ad. If the ad for a replica speedster even said  " not a Porsche "  which would be completely true, just the inflected use of the word Porsche would perhaps somehow be construed to be used as some benefit to any seller and therefore as abuse in the eyes of PORSCHE themselves and they would be offended ( harmed in the eyes of the law ). 

I could be completely out to lunch on this but I'd bet that Jim Kelly would likely be able to clarify this.

I have an opinion, but that's all it is.  Trademark/trade name law is a specialty, and I don't practice trademark law, so this is not legal advice and shouldn't be construed as same.

We all agree that the Porsche name has value.  Porsche wants to protect that value, and defending itself against unauthorized usage of the mark is one way of protecting that value.  However, there are a host of business conditions that may cause a corporation to enforce its trade name rights more or less vigorously, e.g., 

Is their market share growing or shrinking? 

Are they seeking outside investors, or are they the subject of a merger or takeover? 

Is the unauthorized use of its trade name costing the company in lost revenue?  How to prove that fact?

Is unauthorized use becoming more common?

The above are only some of the reasons why a company can change its policy on trademark enforcement.  Be aware that the trademark owner is not required to discover all possible infringements, but failure to enforce can lead to a weakening of the owner's marks, and, most importantly, can lead to potential forfeiture of certain available remedies, such as injunctive relief or monetary damages.  Ignoring unauthorized usage can be inferred as permission to use.

Large firms, such as Porsche, usually hire, or have their own, professional watch services to conduct search and monitoring activities, but low-level infringers may not be cost-effective to pursue.

Don't forget that, once Porsche issues a "knock that sh*t off" letter, the recipient then makes their own decision, based on their corporate counsel's advice, as to whether/how to comply.  Without inside information, we can only guess why certain infringements generate a scorched earth policy, and others seem to be ignored.  We don't know what took place, if anything, between Porsche and third party sites that offer replicas for sale.

I have no badges, script, etc. that identifies my replica as anything P-related, but my course of action is not dictated by trade name concerns.  Many years ago, it was common for some replica makers to attach Porsche script/badges, etc.  That no longer occurs, but many owners add their own.  I'm not personally comfortable with that, but I am not concerned with what other owners do to their replicas. 

As I try to stress, do your own research from as many sources as possible and make the best choice for you, based on that research.  I hope you all enjoy your cars as much as I enjoy mine.

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"Porsche, Porsche Crest, Porsche Design, 911, Spyder, Carrera, Targa, Tiptronic, Porsche Speedster, Varioram, CVTip, VarioCam, Boxster, Cayenne, Porsche Cayenne, Cayman, Panamera, Tequipment, "Porsche. There is no Substitute.", RS, Porsche Bike FS, Porsche Bike S, Pan Americana, PCCB, PCM, Technorad, Varrera, and other Porsche product names, model numbers, logos, commercial symbols, trade names and slogans are trademarks and the distinctive shapes of Porsche automobiles are trade dress of Dr.Ing. h.c. F.Porsche AG ("PAG") and are protected by U.S. and international trademark laws."

I find it difficult to accept that Porsche was allowed to trademark the word 'carrera', which simply means 'race' in Spanish. That must have been one interesting submission.

Guess I can't ever advertise my IM6 Speedster for sale...

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Same with "Spyder" meaning a lightweight fabric top with supporting struts (hence spyder legs).  Can AM, Lamborghini, Maserati, Toyota (MR2) and Mitsubishi (Eclipse) have all used "Spyder" on vehicles within last 10 years! However, Fiat (as well as Alfa and Ferrari) chose to go with "Spider".

Image result for Mitsubishi Eclipse Spyder Convertible

Pretty car for sure!  Love a red car but my sedate ivory probably suits me better.  I wonder if anyone noticed the wire going from the latch of the engine cover---this is an emergency device for when the regular cable you pull to open the trunk fails.  I used a piece of aircraft safety from my airplane owning days and twisted it around a reachable spot at the rear underneath the car.  If the regular latch cable fails just yank the wire to activate the latch.  I got this tip off this great soc site---where else?

VS installed the badging on my Speedster back when it was not such a hassle from the Porsche lawyers and I like having it----a lot.

 

If Porsche becomes aware that a (replica) manufacturer had at any point used their trademark badging on non-Porsche product, call it a hunch, but I imagine that Porsche legal team would require said (replica) manufacturer to carry a million dollar bond to insure no further usage of those trademarked items or be subject to legal ramifications. 

 

Gordon Nichols posted:

...Damn!  That's another thing I gotta do this winter - Get those emergency cables installed for the engine cover and frunk latches...

 

Hmm... on my VS, you can reach the front latch from under the car and presumably open it with a screwdriver or pliers if needed. Is there a panel in the way on other replicas?

 

 

Sacto Mitch posted:

 

Gordon Nichols posted:

...Damn!  That's another thing I gotta do this winter - Get those emergency cables installed for the engine cover and frunk latches...

 

Hmm... on my VS, you can reach the front latch from under the car and presumably open it with a screwdriver or pliers if needed. Is there a panel in the way on other replicas?

 

 

On my VW based older IM I could reach up from below to release the front deck lid but on my current 1992 IM Roadster it is totally sealed in by the front bottom of the fiberglass trunk. I've had release cables fail before and it would be a total PIA if it happened on the road. You couldn't even get gas. I'll need one for the rear trunk too because that area is all sealed up with cooling tins etc. 

I'm going to go a bit further than just a "pull" cable and will rig up a small release lever that will make the emerg cable pulling that much easier. 

David Stroud posted:
Sacto Mitch posted:

 

Gordon Nichols posted:

...Damn!  That's another thing I gotta do this winter - Get those emergency cables installed for the engine cover and frunk latches...

 

Hmm... on my VS, you can reach the front latch from under the car and presumably open it with a screwdriver or pliers if needed. Is there a panel in the way on other replicas?

 

 

On my VW based older IM I could reach up from below to release the front deck lid but on my current 1992 IM Roadster it is totally sealed in by the front bottom of the fiberglass trunk. I've had release cables fail before and it would be a total PIA if it happened on the road. You couldn't even get gas. I'll need one for the rear trunk too because that area is all sealed up with cooling tins etc. 

I'm going to go a bit further than just a "pull" cable and will rig up a small release lever that will make the emerg cable pulling that much easier. 

David.  Let me know what you devise, please.  I have the same issue.

Bob: IM S6 posted:
David Stroud posted:
Sacto Mitch posted:

 

Gordon Nichols posted:

...Damn!  That's another thing I gotta do this winter - Get those emergency cables installed for the engine cover and frunk latches...

 

Hmm... on my VS, you can reach the front latch from under the car and presumably open it with a screwdriver or pliers if needed. Is there a panel in the way on other replicas?

 

 

On my VW based older IM I could reach up from below to release the front deck lid but on my current 1992 IM Roadster it is totally sealed in by the front bottom of the fiberglass trunk. I've had release cables fail before and it would be a total PIA if it happened on the road. You couldn't even get gas. I'll need one for the rear trunk too because that area is all sealed up with cooling tins etc. 

I'm going to go a bit further than just a "pull" cable and will rig up a small release lever that will make the emerg cable pulling that much easier. 

David.  Let me know what you devise, please.  I have the same issue.

Funny I was thinking of that last year and never got around to it but it would be scary to be stuck with either cable broken 

Panhandle Bob posted:

I pulled the heater boxes off my VS. In Florida I don't need them.

Just wondering, weird idea, if a release cable to the engine compartment could be rigged to the now unused heater lever on the tunnel in case of an emergency. 

 

 

Yes, Bob.

Some of you may remember that I installed a direct pull solenoid for an engine lid release in my last car and it was simply mounted inside to a fender well bulkhead. It has to pull from the left side. My idea now is to drill a hole through that fender well and just pass a cable through the hole to something to pull on. Something to pull on could be just a loop in the cable covered in plastic tubing or something a bit nicer would be a lever arrangement like you would have in a modern car to release the hood or even the gas cap. In use, you'll be laying on your back cursing anyway so something easy to reach up to and pull on would be a bonus. 

 

The release cables on my VS are pretty skinny gauge solid wire.

Has anyone replaced those with heavier, multi-strand cable - like what is used for the accelerator or clutch cables?

And come to think of it, having a remote release for the rear deck lid in the cabin of an open car with no door locks doesn't really make a lot of sense. In a lockable coupe, it adds some security. In a Speedster, not so much.

A solid rod that routed straight down from the latch to just under the rear skirt would probably be more reliable and maybe even more convenient. You'd have to tinker a little to make a downward pull work. Just thinking out loud here.

Mmm... this Cabernet is nice.

 

CMC FF VS JPS etc. I do a rear deck lid emergency release by running wire from the latch horizon along the 2x2 and through the wheel well fiberglass vertical  panel, takes about 20 minutes to do this.  Front bonnet with a flat blade screwdriver , reach up to the underside of the latch and move it towards the L side reach  or do the wire from the latch and hang to your bumper brace under the car...……..done ~

Mitch wrote: "Hmm... on my VS, you can reach the front latch from under the car and presumably open it with a screwdriver or pliers if needed. Is there a panel in the way on other replicas?"

When I installed the gas heater in the nose of my CMC I wanted to place the air intake such that it would not ingest rain water from the road, so I have a splash guard up in front that prevents easy access to the frunk latch.  You can still get to it, but the access is on the wrong side (Murphy's law) or by removing a small panel ( sheet metal screws ) but it would be much easier with just a cable to pull to the side.

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