Marty Grzynkowicz posted:

@PCCA board, please re-evaluate GP’s membership.  He may be better served on the PCA forums.  This forum has always been fun and it’s not well suited for the righteous.  I can care less about his 904 build if he  doesn’t know how to make a fun reading thread after two pages.  

 

Well said

You may be right Al that we could all use a thicker skin or an oiled back... maybe our age is sometimes our barrier, but in reality after many posts that castigated our older members and even after moving the thread to another whole other thread, I thought I would try to explain the culture to our new member, that was truly my goal I really enjoy this list and I like the friendly bantering and fun that we have on it and at our get togethers.  

It is our sandbox, so to speak, but it is inviting to others, and hey we want to have some fun TOGETHER with our cars.

We will never have the same opinion, who cares!   We can still have fun on what we have in common if we choose to enjoy each other... if someone chooses to be introspective and get offended, my wife calls it "a woe is me attitude" and leaves the sandbox after as Marty said 3 pages,  well ... what can we do... 

I tried to stay away from any negativety ...well maybe the thick skin comment should not have been said by me.  I apologize for that. 

Now back to cars. 

 

 

Well said Ray.  When I joined this group, I was nervous to post and spent most of the time going back and reading other posts, ongoing banter and searching for information.  Immediately I noticed the generous nature of data sharing about our cars.  I never saw a need to be defensive, argumentative or outwardly rude.  

So, now that I have been on board for over a year. I know that I can absorb the offered suggestions and decide for myself, (like a big boy)  whether or not I will implement the suggestions or move on, "doing my own thing!"  (Which I am will known for.)  All, without throwing out offensive or overly rude defensive comments! 

Great group, great knowledge and good people!  

I have to say, back in the fall of 2017 when I first found this site after buying my Speedster, I got off on the wrong foot by asking to buy a CMC Show bar for my Speedster. Some members slammed me with their strong fatalistic opinion's concerning the use of a show bar. I felt like their post's were a little aggressive. Being a new visitor to this site I didn't have a feel for the unique style a select few of our friends that post here have. I quickly got over my ruffled feathers and have come to appreciate all of the regular poster's here. I have noticed from time to time we offend a new guy and they are then hammered when some perceive their defensive response as being rude. I for one hate to have any potential member go away mad. I say this as one that almost left this site mad never to return. I am glad I "got over myself".

 I wanted to PM George to share my experience and gratitude that I stayed on to get know the personality of this forum instead of going away mad, but he didn't have a PM option on his profile.

At times it can be difficult to define the tone of a post, private message or email etc. that can be a bumpy fork in the road. A simple mis-step in wording can set in motion a rolling ball of dung in a heartbeat. Most here have all been poked at one time of another and we all know it's all in fun hence,  as that guy from Stanistan say's; " It's one big tent with room for all."  We all pride ourselves in our opinions,  some are proven methods to the madness and others... are well intended speculation and I have yet to see one that has a possible nomination for a Pulitzer Prize for Fiction. Not so sure if there is a magic wand to actually mend all this and avoid someone getting their feathers ruffled.

 

Well said, Alan. I'm a new guy so I don't have the long understanding of this board's culture as some of you fossils, um I mean distinguished members. However, I've truly appreciated the time that all of you, old and new have spent trying to keep me from stepping into it too deep. I appreciate the tough and warped sense of humor, too. That being said, you never know what's going on inside each other's personal life. All of us have had hard times when all we needed was someone to hear our tale of woe and not assume that they knew all of the info needed to "fix it." I came to this startlingly conclusion after 50 years of being with the sweetest, beautiful lady with a good aim with pots and pans. It took me a long time to get when it was time just to say, "that's awful, I'm sorry that happened" as opposed to immediately jumping into flow charts and action plans. Kumbaya y'all.

Mike

edsnova posted:

I hope George comes back. I'm very interested in his build. But if he doesn't, I also secretly hope you knuckleheads keep the thread going with inane comments for like 25 more pages. 

That's the SOC spirit.

Yeah, I find it amazing that we can keep a thread going without the original poster adding anything for sometimes months as well. We are a special bunch

Jimmy V. posted:

I have to say, back in the fall of 2017 when I first found this site after buying my Speedster, I got off on the wrong foot by asking to buy a CMC Show bar for my Speedster. Some members slammed me with their strong fatalistic opinion's concerning the use of a show bar. I felt like their post's were a little aggressive. Being a new visitor to this site I didn't have a feel for the unique style a select few of our friends that post here have. I quickly got over my ruffled feathers and have come to appreciate all of the regular poster's here. I have noticed from time to time we offend a new guy and they are then hammered when some perceive their defensive response as being rude. I for one hate to have any potential member go away mad. I say this as one that almost left this site mad never to return. I am glad I "got over myself".

 I wanted to PM George to share my experience and gratitude that I stayed on to get know the personality of this forum instead of going away mad, but he didn't have a PM option on his profile.

I was the person you're referring to, Jimmy, and I apologize for that. Went back and re-read the thread I did. I was concerned for your (and your right seater's) safety. Glad you stuck around!  I hope George is still around as well, but (as someone mentioned) we seem to have a problem with people named George...Al

Now, we were talking about things with chocolate chips- did you guys know that my oldest (this is brilliant if you're a chocaholic) will take a non chocolate cookie (or even one with pitifully little chocolate in/on it) and microwave it for a few seconds with a pile ofchocolate chips on top? What a great way to save an otherwise totally boring cookie! And it's warm, like it's just out of the oven too. He'll take a piece of cake, slice it horizontally and stuff it with chocolate chips and microwave it as well. The little sh!t really is very inventive!

Yoda out now (now no one cry, for back later you know I will be!)

No Worries Yoda, I have grown to like and respect your input.

 Alan hit the nail on the head. It is so easy to misinterpret the tone of a text, email, letter or post because we don't have the much needed extra information of the vocal tone, body language and facial expressions to help us understand the intended meaning of the message being transmitted.  Some of us are more sensitive than other's and some of us are more abrasive than others. That said we have a nice group of guys that post here. I am looking forward to meeting some of you in May at the Carlisle meet.

Todd M posted:
Jimmy V. posted:

I have to say, back in the fall of 2017 when I first found this site after buying my Speedster, I got off on the wrong foot by asking to buy a CMC Show bar for my Speedster.

What is a CMC Show bar?  I googled it and didn't find anything related to cars.

I'm thinking it's something like this. I can't see why anyone would object other than it changes the power to weight ratio. Seriously, I'm guessing it is a non-functional roll bar, but I may be wrong.

Mikeshow bar

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Jimmy V. posted:

I have to say, back in the fall of 2017 when I first found this site after buying my Speedster, I got off on the wrong foot by asking to buy a CMC Show bar for my Speedster.

What is a CMC Show bar?  I googled it and didn't find anything related to cars.

It looks like a roll bar but doesn't have the proper supports, so in the case of a real roll over it folds, possibly killing one or both occupants.

I have one (from Alan) in the shop. It's a roll hoop that bolts to the floor behind the seats and has two legs that go back from there. I believe they bolt to a fiberglass box section of the body and beneath that is supposed to be a steel reinforcement piece made of a flat bar and angle iron, which is supposed to extend to something solid on the chassis...somehow.

I don't know if anyone actually installs them with that hidden reinforcement but the parts give the overall design impression of someone building a covered porch by stacking four folding chairs on the deck and putting a log between the top one and the soffit to hold up the roof. 

It COULD be made into a functional roll bar, imho, if the installer/builder got some square tube and a welder and started making triangles from the torsion tube to the upper shock mount. 

But I don't know if anyone has ever done this, and for two pretty good reasons.

1. making the back third of a VW pan accept that kind of bracing would be a body-off project, most likely, and

2. The bar itself appears pretty marginal, from the point of view of the kind of person who would and could make a functional roll bar. That is, the "legs" terminate pretty far below the top of the hoop—whereas sanctioning race bodies require them to come off the very top of the hoop. Also, the thickness and quality of the steel is unknown—there's a big difference between, say, exhaust pipe and DOM tubing.

So, event though the bar probably could be made into something that could save your life in a roll-over, anyone with the skill and/or desire to actually make something functional out of it probably knows enough not to bother with it as a starting point.

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