Candy Apple Red Thunder Ranch Speedster Listed on Samba

There's too many differences for them to be the same, it's possible, but I think there are too many differences. The carburetor tops are different, the engine surround material is different, the top car has a color matched oil filler cap and the bottom one isn't, the seal around the engine lid and body is different, two different coils, and the hood prop is missing.

Robert M posted:

There's too many differences for them to be the same, it's possible, but I think there are too many differences. The carburetor tops are different, the engine surround material is different, the top car has a color matched oil filler cap and the bottom one isn't, the seal around the engine lid and body is different, two different coils, and the hood prop is missing.

It's the same car Robert.  It does look like a few things have been changed, but it's the same car.  I have a copy of the last ad on eBay.  Same city, same seller, all the same.

@Robert M

Troy Sloan posted:
Robert M posted:

There's too many differences for them to be the same, it's possible, but I think there are too many differences. The carburetor tops are different, the engine surround material is different, the top car has a color matched oil filler cap and the bottom one isn't, the seal around the engine lid and body is different, two different coils, and the hood prop is missing.

It's the same car Robert.  It does look like a few things have been changed, but it's the same car.  I have a copy of the last ad on eBay.  Same city, same seller, all the same.

@Robert M

Begs to question then, "Why all of the changes to the motor?".

Robert M posted:

Begs to question then, "Why all of the changes to the motor?".

I'm just speculating, but perhaps to get it sold?

The Dynamat engine compartment looks like a framed house, wrapped in Tyvek because the owner didn't have them money to side it. The new engine bay treatment looks like it's finished, at least.

I thought the car looked familiar. I assume there is something going on with this to keep it from selling. A salvage title wouldn't bother me on one these cars if it was as good as this car looks for the price. Something else is going on with the car I bet.  It does look good in the pictures. Does anyone know of anyone who has looked at the car?

Looks nice to me too. I like the look of the 911-esk engine, but...
The salvage VW title is a problem (at least in Georgia). In order to get legal with a salvage title in Georgia, it requires a lot of hoops to jump through. The biggest is structural inspection by certified inspection center that you have to have the car towed to...
I prefer to not fight such a bureaucratic hassle myself.

Troy Sloan posted:

Jimmy.

This is the same car you asked about in this thread last July.

https://www.speedsterowners.co...2#586924461912088732

Interesting that the Dynamat is not there in the Samba pics.7

This is NOT the same car as the posting in July. I am the one selling it and thus is the very first time EVER I have used Samba. I did have it listed on eBay but found difficulties with that site so I just recently posted it here (in November).  

MotoCarlo posted:

Looks nice to me too. I like the look of the 911-esk engine, but...
The salvage VW title is a problem (at least in Georgia). In order to get legal with a salvage title in Georgia, it requires a lot of hoops to jump through. The biggest is structural inspection by certified inspection center that you have to have the car towed to...
I prefer to not fight such a bureaucratic hassle myself.

Yes, MotoCarlo, in some states the salvage title requires more hoops for sure! I had this car registered in Colorado before CA and it was easy there. It took me over 1 year to register in CA but it passed all inspections (including Smog) and good to go in CA now.  

Jimmy V. posted:

I thought the car looked familiar. I assume there is something going on with this to keep it from selling. A salvage title wouldn't bother me on one these cars if it was as good as this car looks for the price. Something else is going on with the car I bet.  It does look good in the pictures. Does anyone know of anyone who has looked at the car?

This is NOT the same car as the posting in July. I am the one selling it and this is the very first time EVER I have used Samba. I did have it listed on eBay but found difficulties with that site so I just recently posted it here (in November). There is nothing wrong with the car  

Stan Galat posted:
Robert M posted:

Begs to question then, "Why all of the changes to the motor?".

I'm just speculating, but perhaps to get it sold?

The Dynamat engine compartment looks like a framed house, wrapped in Tyvek because the owner didn't have them money to side it. The new engine bay treatment looks like it's finished, at least.

This is exactly the way it was from the builder when I purchased the car 8 years ago. No recent changes to the engine compartment or engine. 

Troy Sloan posted:
Robert M posted:

There's too many differences for them to be the same, it's possible, but I think there are too many differences. The carburetor tops are different, the engine surround material is different, the top car has a color matched oil filler cap and the bottom one isn't, the seal around the engine lid and body is different, two different coils, and the hood prop is missing.

It's the same car Robert.  It does look like a few things have been changed, but it's the same car.  I have a copy of the last ad on eBay.  Same city, same seller, all the same.

@Robert M

@RobertM-- I did have this car listed on eBay in short intervals but NEVER on Samba. EBay kept taking it down due to "trademark violations" so that is why it did not sell there. That is why I recently (in November) posted this car on Samba.  

Robert M posted:

There's too many differences for them to be the same, it's possible, but I think there are too many differences. The carburetor tops are different, the engine surround material is different, the top car has a color matched oil filler cap and the bottom one isn't, the seal around the engine lid and body is different, two different coils, and the hood prop is missing.

WNGD posted:

Beautiful car but the problem is the original car said rebuilt title. There's quite a bit differnet or they have moved around in the engine bay besides the dynamat if that's the exact same car.

I am the seller. This is NOT the same car. 

I'm totally confused now.  This seller's name is Rebecca and the person I spoke to last July and Jimmy also spoke to about a Candy Apple Red Thunder Ranch for sale on eBay (not Samba) in Orange County, with a salvage title, with the same VIN # and a hardtop that didn't fit correctly and 4,200 miles was also named Rebecca. WOW, that's a pretty big coincidence, but if it's not the same car it's not the same car and I stand corrected.  I still agree, it's a nice looking car.

Everyone—

Let’s see if I can clarify things here. Boy conversations get out of hand quickly.

My name is Rebecca. I have the 356 that is the topic of this email. I did have it listed on eBay. This is the first listing on Samba. I was selling on eBay (eBay name chakmer2) for a Buy It Now at $23,000 and a starting bid of $19,000.  Before the auction completed I had a representative from Porsche pull the listing off because of Trademark violations. I tried to correct the violations yet they did not even look at the subsequent 2 additional times I listed it and just pulled the listing before the auctions ended (regardless of smudging out the emblems, etc). That is why I listed it here in Samba for the first time in November. 

Over the last 4 months I have sold 2 of my 3 cars to replace with 1 car and 1 camper. This car is the last that I am trying to sell to simplify my “fleet” and evolve in life to different hobbies (especially since I am now married). This is not a scam listing, I’m just motivated to sell it  

If all of you want to give me more money for this car, I’m happy to take it.  I’ll change the list price to >$18,000. I invite any and all of you to come test drive yourself. I live in Costa Mesa and am motivated to sell so I don’t have to pay the registration again and insurance for the next 6 months. 

Please email me or text if you have a true interest in this car. 

Rebecca 

267-273-9877

Jimmy V. posted:

It may be one of the listings that are too good to be true because they are fake and lead you into a scam. I would proceed with caution. To bad someone isn't in the area that could investigate. I love a good mystery.

 

This is not a scam Jimmy. Come see it. 

Troy Sloan posted:

I'm totally confused now.  This seller's name is Rebecca and the person I spoke to last July and Jimmy also spoke to about a Candy Apple Red Thunder Ranch for sale on eBay (not Samba) in Orange County, with a salvage title, with the same VIN # and a hardtop that didn't fit correctly and 4,200 miles was also named Rebecca. WOW, that's a pretty big coincidence, but if it's not the same car it's not the same car and I stand corrected.  I still agree, it's a nice looking car.

Troy Sloan—

 

I did not see that the link was to an eBay listing. Yes, I did have it on eBay (please refer to my post re: that).

I will be happy to show the car to you if you are interested in it. Please email me if you have a serious interest in purchase. 

Rebecca

Thanks for the clarification that it was the same car discussed in July.  Again, it's a nice looking car. @Rebecca356

I'm still confused about why the pictures you are posting now are different from the ones you posted in July on eBay, especially the engine compartment.  Here is the text from your eBay listing in July and all the pictures.

1957 Porsche 356
Replica 1957 Porsche 356 Speedster
Seller information
chakmer2 (13 )

Item Information
Condition:
Used
Starting bid:
US $18,000.00
[ 0 bids ] 

Price:
US $21,000.00
Buy It Now

Vehicle Specifics for 1957 Porsche 356
Vehicle History Report Not Available
1957 Porsche 356
VIN#: 1342569589
Possible Explanations why the report is not available include:
The seller didn't enter the vehicle identification number correctly.
The vehicle is too new to have a history report.
The vehicle was manufactured prior to 1981.
The vehicle didn't have a 17-digit vehicle identification number.
The vehicle wasn't intended for the US market (such as limited production exotics).
Item specifics
Condition:
Used
Year:
1957
VIN (Vehicle Identification Number):
1342569589
Mileage:
4,200
Transmission:
Manual
Make:
Porsche
Body Type:
Convertible
Model:
356
Warranty:
Vehicle does NOT have an existing warranty
Engine:
2276 cc
Vehicle Title:
Rebuilt, Rebuildable & Reconstructed
Drive Type:
RWD
Options:
Convertible, Leather Seats
Fuel Type:
Gasoline
Exterior Color:
Red
For Sale By:
Private Seller
Interior Color:
Tan
Disability Equipped:
No
Number of Cylinders:
4
Drive Side:
Left-hand drive

6 Porsche Speedster Replic in House Of Kolor Kandy Paint - Candy Apple Red - A Site To Behold!
This Car Is Very Quick And Handling Is Superb.
Kit Manufacturer - Thunder Ranch Of El Cajon, CA
Custom Built in Vancouver, WA. Used a 1974 VW chassis from salvaged car so VIN number is from 1974 VW. Currently registered and licensed in California as a Reconstructed vehicle--it does not have a salvage title.
Only 4,250 Miles
Full Tubular Frame Powder Coated. Not A Shortened VW Chassis. Uni-Body Type Construction. Floor Is Fiberglass And Incorporated Into The Body Unit. Independent Rear Suspension (IRS) so you can adjust the ride comfort versus the performance. Removable Hard Top included but does not currently fit correctly--can be brought to a shop to correct.
Includes Tan Soft Top With Side Curtains that drop into doors. Tops are interchangeable. The bow for the soft top has to be unbolted for the hard top to be used--a very simple procedure.
Custom Leather Seats
Square Weave Carpet
Custom Built Engine 2276 cc. Bernie Bergman 911 Fan W/ Thunder Ranch 911 Fan Shroud, Aluminum EMPI Domed Top Reinforced Case, 82 MM Stroker Crank (5 Dowel Pin, Counter Balanced), 94 MM Mahle Pistons & Cylinders, "H" Beam Rods, Engle W-120 Cam, Ported Heads W/ Large Stainless Steel Valves, Electronic Ignition, Dual 44 EMPI HPMX Carbs, External Oil Cooler, External Oil Filter ("Spin Off" Type), Ceramic Coated Tuned Exhaust. Ceramic Coated heater boxes & muffler
Estimated 180-190 HP--really fun to drive!
"Bee Hive" Tail Lights
Innovative AFR Digital Gauge With Wideband Sensor For Fine Tuning
Custom Built Reinforced Transaxle
Disc Brakes Front & Rear
Adjustable Rear Torsion Spring Plates
"Dyna Mat Extreme" Used To Line The Interior Body For Sound Deadening
I have driven all 4,000+ miles. Many improvements and adjustments have been made to improve the car since I purchased it with 250 miles on it. RUNNING BETTER THAN EVER!

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Troy Sloan posted:

Thanks for the clarification that it was the same car discussed in July.  Again, it's a nice looking car. @Rebecca356

I'm still confused about why the pictures you are posting now are different from the ones you posted in July on eBay, especially the engine compartment.  Here is the text from your eBay listing in July and all the pictures.

1957 Porsche 356
Replica 1957 Porsche 356 Speedster
Seller information
chakmer2 (13 )

Item Information
Condition:
Used
Starting bid:
US $18,000.00
[ 0 bids ] 

Price:
US $21,000.00
Buy It Now

Vehicle Specifics for 1957 Porsche 356
Vehicle History Report Not Available
1957 Porsche 356
VIN#: 1342569589
Possible Explanations why the report is not available include:
The seller didn't enter the vehicle identification number correctly.
The vehicle is too new to have a history report.
The vehicle was manufactured prior to 1981.
The vehicle didn't have a 17-digit vehicle identification number.
The vehicle wasn't intended for the US market (such as limited production exotics).
Item specifics
Condition:
Used
Year:
1957
VIN (Vehicle Identification Number):
1342569589
Mileage:
4,200
Transmission:
Manual
Make:
Porsche
Body Type:
Convertible
Model:
356
Warranty:
Vehicle does NOT have an existing warranty
Engine:
2276 cc
Vehicle Title:
Rebuilt, Rebuildable & Reconstructed
Drive Type:
RWD
Options:
Convertible, Leather Seats
Fuel Type:
Gasoline
Exterior Color:
Red
For Sale By:
Private Seller
Interior Color:
Tan
Disability Equipped:
No
Number of Cylinders:
4
Drive Side:
Left-hand drive

6 Porsche Speedster Replic in House Of Kolor Kandy Paint - Candy Apple Red - A Site To Behold!
This Car Is Very Quick And Handling Is Superb.
Kit Manufacturer - Thunder Ranch Of El Cajon, CA
Custom Built in Vancouver, WA. Used a 1974 VW chassis from salvaged car so VIN number is from 1974 VW. Currently registered and licensed in California as a Reconstructed vehicle--it does not have a salvage title.
Only 4,250 Miles
Full Tubular Frame Powder Coated. Not A Shortened VW Chassis. Uni-Body Type Construction. Floor Is Fiberglass And Incorporated Into The Body Unit. Independent Rear Suspension (IRS) so you can adjust the ride comfort versus the performance. Removable Hard Top included but does not currently fit correctly--can be brought to a shop to correct.
Includes Tan Soft Top With Side Curtains that drop into doors. Tops are interchangeable. The bow for the soft top has to be unbolted for the hard top to be used--a very simple procedure.
Custom Leather Seats
Square Weave Carpet
Custom Built Engine 2276 cc. Bernie Bergman 911 Fan W/ Thunder Ranch 911 Fan Shroud, Aluminum EMPI Domed Top Reinforced Case, 82 MM Stroker Crank (5 Dowel Pin, Counter Balanced), 94 MM Mahle Pistons & Cylinders, "H" Beam Rods, Engle W-120 Cam, Ported Heads W/ Large Stainless Steel Valves, Electronic Ignition, Dual 44 EMPI HPMX Carbs, External Oil Cooler, External Oil Filter ("Spin Off" Type), Ceramic Coated Tuned Exhaust. Ceramic Coated heater boxes & muffler
Estimated 180-190 HP--really fun to drive!
"Bee Hive" Tail Lights
Innovative AFR Digital Gauge With Wideband Sensor For Fine Tuning
Custom Built Reinforced Transaxle
Disc Brakes Front & Rear
Adjustable Rear Torsion Spring Plates
"Dyna Mat Extreme" Used To Line The Interior Body For Sound Deadening
I have driven all 4,000+ miles. Many improvements and adjustments have been made to improve the car since I purchased it with 250 miles on it. RUNNING BETTER THAN EVER!

2345678Clipboard01s-l1600

Regarding the engine compartment: To get the car registered in CA, I did need to add an air intake to the carburetors as directed by the CA Referree. I really had to look hard to see what else was different between the pictures, however. I just noticed the Dynamat has been painted black--I have no idea when that happened! I have always had my car serviced by the same repair shop since being in CA so I'll ask them when and why they did this. Huh! They are a great shop and have always improved the car so I'm sure there is a reason (Full Throttle Restoration in Costa Mesa, CA. I highly recommend them!) 

The pics with the black hardtop are from pictures taken when I lived in PA (when it fit) about 4 years ago. Notice the CO license plates versus the CA plates now. I put those on the listing to demonstrate what it looks like with the hardtop since that doesn't fit anymore (as disclosed in every post). There is probably 1,000 miles on the car engine between the 2 timeframes. 

I'm happy to clarify anything else. Thanks for giving me this opportunity. 

Rebecca. 

Hi Rebecca.

Did they also move the under the dash gauges into the engine compartment?  What is the rectangular box next to the fuse box on the firewall?  It looks like the ignition switch was moved from the right to the left side of the steering wheel and there was or is a gauge in the dash on the right side.  It also looks like there were no side curtain post holes in the older eBay pictures that show the door rail.  Were the soft top or the curtains added after the build?

@Rebecca356

I would encourage any potential buyers to look at and drive this car in person, but it does look like a rare good deal if you can live with the word salvage on the title.

Jimmy V. posted:

Meant no insult by the scam listing comment. I for one have seen them and feel we all need to be cautious of being scammed. I love your car. I hope it goes to a good home. It appears the price is a very reasonable one if not a steal!

Thank you, Jimmy V. 

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