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Hello to all,

I'm going back in time....yes, selling my 911 for a 1957 356 Speedster (Outlaw replica). The question that I have is,  some of the Speedsters have very little badging on them (Porsche, Speedster, Porsche Logo, etc.)  while some are covered with them. Is there a happy medium? Are there possible "legal implications" regarding using Porsche representative type Badging? Your opinions are definitely welcomed! Presently mine is sparsely badged.  Please advise.

Thanks....Larry

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I only know of two shops, one in the USA, one in Europe, who have Porsche's blessing for some Porsche/original coach builder badging on the cars they build, but those cars are only a handful each year, built to Porsche drawings using old techniques and are essentially the same as the originals, but sold as reproduction$$$$$$.  That is the reason replica builders don't (usually) put Porsche badging on the cars that they build.

Individual owners have not been bothered by the legal beagles (so far) but there has been a recent movement, on here, at least, away from Porsche badging to the badging of the replica builder (Intermeccanica, Beck, Vintage, even CMC) to make the cars more "honest".

I built my outlaw back in the 1990's way before I found this site.  If I built it today it would have CMC badging on it.

Thanks for both of your replies the information is quite helpful to determine which way to go. Lane I see your from SC, do you know of any Speedster group that is meeting in the SC/NC area....it would be great to get together.

Thanks....Larry

I don't know of any formal groups, Larry, but I'm always happy to meet with any other crazies like myself.  Also, a number of us east coast guys have been meeting in the NC mountains in the fall for some great drives and camaraderie.  I'll post here if/when we put something together for this year.  I'm down in a suburb of Charleston.  where are you?

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@Larry Scislowicz - I certainly will.  I should have my new car between now and Carlisle (mid-May).  Are you going to Carlisle?  Highly recommend it.  See https://www.speedsterowners.co...carlisle-2021?page=1 for details.

See https://www.speedsterowners.co...s-beck-super-coupe-3 for details on the car I'm getting.

Oh...  @MikelB (Mike Warjas) lives in your neck of the woods.  Y'all ought to meet up.

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The badges go on much more easily than they come off, so if my car had come without them I would never have added them, except I might have considered breaking the "914" off a "914 VW Porsche" tail badge and showing "VW Porsche". Even then I would have used adhesive rather than drilling for the pins.

Speaking of adhesive, if I wanted to use stick-on plastic rather than snap-on aluminum for the beltline spears on my speedster, where would I shop for the plastic version? It takes real care to avoid snagging the aluminum ones on the car cover.

Thnx

Bill

@Larry Scislowicz - I certainly will.  I should have my new car between now and Carlisle (mid-May).  Are you going to Carlisle?  Highly recommend it.  See https://www.speedsterowners.co...carlisle-2021?page=1 for details.

See https://www.speedsterowners.co...s-beck-super-coupe-3 for details on the car I'm getting.

Oh...  @MikelB (Mike Warjas) lives in your neck of the woods.  Y'all ought to meet up.

Yes, I am planning on going...should be great fun. Your Coupe will be unbelievable!! will you have it at the show? I'll try to get in touch with Mike also....Thanks

The badges go on much more easily than they come off, so if my car had come without them I would never have added them, except I might have considered breaking the "914" off a "914 VW Porsche" tail badge and showing "VW Porsche". Even then I would have used adhesive rather than drilling for the pins.

Speaking of adhesive, if I wanted to use stick-on plastic rather than snap-on aluminum for the beltline spears on my speedster, where would I shop for the plastic version? It takes real care to avoid snagging the aluminum ones on the car cover.

Thnx

Bill

Hi Bill ...Thanks for your response....in regards to the "beltline spears" my Speedster doesn't have them...have no reference for you on that......sorry

FACT: Our replicas are not made by Porsche. Why pretend they are? They are mostly "hot rod" Volkswagens. My 2019 VMC Speedster came with a "1600 Super" emblem. I replaced the faux Porsche hubcap emblems with VW Wolfsburg emblems from EMPI. The seatbelt buckles have the same. My leather key fobs are imprinted with a "VW". My only badge is an older SOC model. I had emblems made to reflect the fact that the engine is a 2.3 (2332cc), and a license plate frame that reads "My Other Car Is A 1965 Porsche 365SC Coupe". Even though my Speedster is definitely not a Porsche, it's fun factor is about the same, and in some areas, even better than my "real" 356.

I've gone on and on about why my car isn't badged as a Porsche, and why I think that just letting them stand as what they are is the right way to go. I'm getting kinda' tired of myself and my overly strong opinion, so I'm not gonna' do that.

If a guy likes the badges, that's great. If there's something in him that cringes when he's got "P" car badges on his plastic fantastic, I can certainly identify. Terry Nuckles had Volkswagen badges on his speedster which was kinda' cool (and super cheeky), but wasn't quite right either.

These things aren't really anything at all, brand wise - neither fish nor fowl, they exist in some kind of netherworld in the automotive universe. Even saying "this is a Kirk Duncan VS" or "that's an Intermeccanica" doesn't mean as much as we think it does. Both were sometimes sold as incomplete cars, finished by everybody from Chip Foose to some dude in Buttscratch, TX to varying degrees of safety and completeness. Once could identify by the type of engine in the back, but even that's kind of a weird way to go about "identifying".

We all love these cars, but aren't really sure how to explain them. I've had one or another of them for 21 years, and I'm still trying to come up with something that is quick and easy and makes sense to the guy just trying to make conversation at the gas pump.

In the big scheme of things, people who care too much one way or another about "the badge" typically have more going on with it. It's more than a badge to them. If that's the case, then do what you really want to do.

We're all OK with it either way.

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@Stan Galat posted:

I've gone on and on about why my car isn't badged as a Porsche, and why I think that just letting them stand as what they are is the right way to go. I'm getting kinda' tired of myself and my overly strong opinion, so I'm not gonna' do that.

If a guy likes the badges, that's great. If there's something in him that cringes when he's got "P" car badges on his plastic fantastic, I can certainly identify. Terry Nuckles had Volkswagen badges on his speedster which was kinda' cool (and super cheeky), but wasn't quite right either.

These things aren't really anything at all, brand wise - neither fish nor fowl, they exist in some kind of netherworld in the automotive universe. Even saying "this is a Kirk Duncan VS" or "that's an Intermeccanica" doesn't mean as much as we think it does. Both were sometimes sold as incomplete cars, finished by everybody from Chip Foose to some dude in Buttscratch, TX to varying degrees of safety and completeness. Once could identify by the type of engine in the back, but even that's kind of a weird way to go about "identifying".

We all love these cars, but aren't really sure how to explain them. I've had one or another of them for 21 years, and I'm still trying to come up with something that is quick and easy and makes sense to the guy just trying to make conversation at the gas pump.

In the big scheme of things, people who care too much one way or another about "the badge" typically have more going on with it. It's more than a badge to them. If that's the case, then do what you really want to do.

We're all OK with it either way.

Well said Stan...my viewpoint is that it is a "REPLICA" and if anyone asks that's what I tell them, along with "I can't afford a REAL ONE - if you can find one".  I think the big-rub here is "misrepresentation" when you actually try to sell one. If you are an owner of one of these cars "knock your socks off" on outfitting them with what badges you see fit!.....again thanks for your thoughts, truly appreciate it!.....

@jprpdr posted:

FACT: Our replicas are not made by Porsche. Why pretend they are? They are mostly "hot rod" Volkswagens. My 2019 VMC Speedster came with a "1600 Super" emblem. I replaced the faux Porsche hubcap emblems with VW Wolfsburg emblems from EMPI. The seatbelt buckles have the same. My leather key fobs are imprinted with a "VW". My only badge is an older SOC model. I had emblems made to reflect the fact that the engine is a 2.3 (2332cc), and a license plate frame that reads "My Other Car Is A 1965 Porsche 365SC Coupe". Even though my Speedster is definitely not a Porsche, it's fun factor is about the same, and in some areas, even better than my "real" 356.

Greg @Vintage showed me his custom badge for the front and it looks kinda Porsche like but really says Vintage and California when you look close.  Personally I like that idea just fine and am going for that over a "real" badge.  

To each their own of course though !

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