CMC Wide Body Wheels - Request for help

Thanks for all the help guys!

regards

Steve

WOLFGANG posted:

The flares are different on the VS vs a CMC too.  The ones on black VS will surely hit on big road bumps.

I'm not sure what you are saying here Wolfgang, but I've had several Vintage Super Widebodies with the typical custom Vintage 17" wheels and they didn't hit on big road bumps.

CMC flares look almost added on at the wheel well opening so the flare doesn't blend/extend up into the fender opening. This limits tire size and vehicle lowering as the tires will hit the upper fiberglass wheel arch.

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I actually fabricated a wooden jig to get as accurate measurements as possible and then squeezed 245/35 on light weight aluminum 17 X 8 's all four corners.  Custom 6061 aluminum spacers and a bit of inner fender lip shaving.

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I see.  So you meant the Vintage wheels would hit if used on a CMC and I think you're right. 

Do it right Troy.  Nothing ruins the look of a fatbody speedy quicker than inset tires. Push them out as far as possible. 

Just one man's opinion.

Jerome Smith posted:

I actually fabricated a wooden jig to get as accurate measurements as possible and then squeezed 245/35 on light weight aluminum 17 X 8 's all four corners.  Custom 6061 aluminum spacers and a bit of inner fender lip shaving.

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Jerome;

Can you describe the jig you made?

Art

I can see that your cat/machinist was just plain worn out after making those wheel spacers....

The jig was nothing special.  I used a piece of 3/4 MDF, maybe 6" wide  X 10-12" long, basicallyy the length needs to be long enough to match the radius of the largest tire you think will fit.  Cut a hole near one end the size of the center boss that the wheel locates on and holes for a couple lugs.  Once bolted up you use the back side of the MDF as a datum to get your back spacing dimension and check for tire width clearance all around.  I tried using an old wheel but the 6" wide jig was much easier to get accurate numbers.

Gordon Nichols posted:

I can see that your cat/machinist was just plain worn out after making those wheel spacers....

He was a stray that started showing up around the time I received the kit.  Not long after that photo was taken we brought him in.  He's still kicking, although he getting grouchy in his old age.

Not unlike many of you, I'm sure.

Not me that's doing it Jerome, but I agree.  Push them out. 

@Jerome Smith

Thanks Jerome.

I appreciate all the good advice.  

 I spoke with Kirk at VS who tells me I should use 17" x 8" rims with a 3.5" offset on the front and rear on my wide body CMC.      I am planning on purchasing the same rims as Kirk has custom made.   I believe they are used on the red car at the top of the first post.     I am still trying to find out how some of the wide body cars I see on line with the same rims have what looks like much wider rims on the rear.    Does anyone know how the guys are using much wider (deeper) rear rims?     See the red car and silver cars higher up in this train of post.     Are they using a different suspension other than a VW chassis?

I have a 65 VW chassis and CMC wide body     I have disk brakes on front and rear.      I do not have a IRS rear suspension.

regards

Steve Vacker

The top two cars looks like the rims may be the same front and back.    I assume they are made at VS.     I like the gray car rims the best and they look like they are larger in back      The black car rear rims looks like they are larger in the rear.   The black cars rear rims are a little too wide for me.       Does anyone know if I can use the wider rear rims on my CMC 1965 VW?

This is good reading. VS wheels seems to be the choice?  Vintage decided to move and wonder if the wheels are still available and what the cost was for their wheels. 

Also their are “flared” and “super wide body” would the wheel be the same !

thanks for all the info. @Speedy1 did you end up with VS wheels. 

Happy New Year to all

The depth of the flares increases from "Flared" to "Widebody" to "Super Wide Body".

Just by eyeballing them in photos, it looks like about 2" width is added for each one.

You could run progressively deeper dish on the wheels from one model to the next, and I remember one guy on here was looking at 10" wide rims, but that is a LOT of wheel/rubber to move around - you would need a robust engine, too.  

Lots of 8" wide wheels on Wides and Supers, though, just figure out what you need for an offset from the hub to fit within the wheel well and go for it.  Vintage used to have several different widths to cover all applications and had them locally made in SoCal.   If you still need to push the rim lip out towards the fender lip, you can run machined, billet spacers (don't get cast ones - they break).

Wait a few weeks for the dust to settle on the VS move and then contact Justin to see about size and availability.

cmc you can run 7 in front and 8 in   rears .The VS super wide you runs 8 in front and 10 in rears. gm bolt pattern done on a cmc allows for endless wheel choices for under $500 set of 4. with 4 3/4  back set. the VS wheel is custom made at over $350 each. Gordon can better answer the 16 in

Thanks to both for response. I was checking out empi and samba on 16 x 7 and 8 but I love the deep dish look which is not offered on 16.  

Do you guys know or have seen 16 with deep dish?  

Also depends on how low you car is. My cmc (lowered) flared fender with 16x6&7 Fuchs would rub during hard cornering. There's no way a 17x 8 would fit it!

Bill - is your black CMC IRS or swing axle?