I was just looking at my engine lid latch and when the engine is hot it seems that cable for some reason opens the lid but by the time I get to the back the latch is locked again.  Once the engine is cold it works fine.  So it is either a two man job or something else. 

Now I saw somewhere that there is a new latch available with a spring release but I was wondering if anyone had any other work arounds.  Essentially the new style has a plate attached to one side of the upper hole you see and a spring attached pops up once the main latch is released and prevents the latch from re-engaging. 

I think Bruce @aircooled could make one easily .

 

 

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I made a bracket from a piece of aluminum angle and attached a spring from a D-cell Maglight.  I got the spring on eBay.  I got the rubber piece on top from the hardware store.  I tried a couple different heights for the rubber thing.

The spring has a small diameter loop on the bottom the flat head bolt with washer go through.

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Here is the new part which is available and I am considering getting, I think Lane has one.  

It seems so simple that anyone can make it. Can We?  

Essentially, you see the top two holes on any latch and they made a metal rising bar that lifts up on the PIN.  with the spring attached.  Simple and Neet concept.  Mike's as well is simple to do but this seems like it belongs     Sorry Mike. 

@aircooled this one you can make and sell  

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IaM-Ray posted:

I was just looking at my engine lid latch and when the engine is hot it seems that cable for some reason opens the lid but by the time I get to the back the latch is locked again.  Once the engine is cold it works fine.  So it is either a two man job or something else. 

Now I saw somewhere that there is a new latch available with a spring release but I was wondering if anyone had any other work arounds.  Essentially the new style has a plate attached to one side of the upper hole you see and a spring attached pops up once the main latch is released and prevents the latch from re-engaging. 

I think Bruce @aircooled could make one easily .

 

 

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I'm noticing the same thing in the heat, Ray. I had added a couple of small, clear rubber, glue on standoff pads earlier this Spring but have now added one more layer of them and solved the problem. They're hard to find but I got a pack of about 30 for about $6. at Lee Valley Tools.

If you look at the latch photo immediately above this post, that assembly has the hole for the little kicker lever, plus the notch on the other side for the spring to attach to on the left side (check Ray’s photo a few posts up).  All that is missing is the lever itself, that looks like it could be made up in less than an hour and attached with a pan-head bolt.  Looks like a nice project for this weekend.......

I see a kit of parts in the future.

I am thinking about it but not sure where I can get the metal with the bottom tab for the spring.  I have no clue where and who is the supplier.

IaM-Ray posted:

Here is the new part which is available and I am considering getting, I think Lane has one.  

It seems so simple that anyone can make it. Can We?  

Essentially, you see the top two holes on any latch and they made a metal rising bar that lifts up on the PIN.  with the spring attached.  Simple and Neet concept.  Mike's as well is simple to do but this seems like it belongs     Sorry Mike. 

@aircooled this one you can make and sell  

@IaM-Ray

From where on the internet did you get this photo? Was it a generic photo search, word search, parts catalog, etc?

@Michael McKelvey My builder is now selling those and I think SE does as well as Lane has one. 

I started to look at it and I figured it had to be existing out there. So here is one..  fiat-124-spider-1968-74-

I have not yet found a supplier of NEW parts other than my builder but when I looked at the picture they sent me I just thought duh... that is the original latch with a sprung lever.  Who has a 3D printer handy  

Michael McKelvey posted:

The Fiat part looks like a bit of mirror image.

You might mention who your builder is for those who don't know.

I thought it was obvious   IaM-Ray =  IM Ray 

Robert M posted:
IaM-Ray posted:

Here is the new part which is available and I am considering getting, I think Lane has one.  

It seems so simple that anyone can make it. Can We?  

Essentially, you see the top two holes on any latch and they made a metal rising bar that lifts up on the PIN.  with the spring attached.  Simple and Neet concept.  Mike's as well is simple to do but this seems like it belongs     Sorry Mike. 

@aircooled this one you can make and sell  

@IaM-Ray

From where on the internet did you get this photo? Was it a generic photo search, word search, parts catalog, etc?

Robert just a note that Midwest might be your source above link for fiat.  For those who might have a slightly different latch this guy says that their are 100's of different latch types made by Italian companies, some have very small nuance differences, latch position, directionally left or right etc.  and he will send me info on what he has if your trying to retrofit something special. 

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@chines1, it the one with the helper like the one in Ray's picture?

When I contacted you some time ago about what was fitted to Tom Blankenship's car I got the impression it was somewhat different.

What is the price for the one with the helper?

Thanks.

yes it is the one with the helper, we have both.  I'll have to double check the latches but I seem to remember the ones with the helper pull the opposite direction vs stock, and due to the helper can't be flipped around.  Shoot me an e-mail and I'll take a look.

I also seem to remember that the one you have with the helper pulls from the other side according to what you previously told me.  That's why I asked if it is the same as the one in Ray's photo.

If it pulls from the other side it is not the same.

latch side ways @Michael McKelvey Well I got my new latch and installed it from my builder.   Works like a charm.  FYI, I had to reuse the spring from my old one on the cable side, as which ever car it came from it has a really strong spring which makes pulling the remote cable near impossible to open the latch.  

Hence I put on the old springlatch sdeways which is not as strong and it opens like a charm and pops the lid up just a bit.  I think Carey has these too for you guys south of the 49th. 

Here is is installed and a pict of how it opens with a good fingers worth open so it does not reclose when the cable is hot.

Honestly now that I have it in my hands the old latch could have easily been modified by simply creating the small plate shown and adding a spring.  Look at the first pict you can see the V plate and the RIVET that is missing from the original latch. 

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Mike way to go ... the latch is Italian and I saw it on the fiat 124 site as well

All these companies source out to the same producers.

Hey the new latch is working like a charm !   Using the old spring from the original .... you pull it and the lid sits proud of the body for easy opening 

Closes really well too

 

I ordered a Fiat 124 hood latch from Midwest Bayless.  Their various hood latches and trunk latches are very similar but some pull from the left and some pull from the right.

I looked again at one on eBay and saw that it is in Egypt.

If you call Midwest they are very helpful... just saying 

your old spring will work with the new unit to reduce the amount of force you need to open. 

What I like to is when you close it it is an easy press down and it latches nicely.

 

Good luck with it 

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This all is getting more complicated than I expected.

I received the Fiat latch.  It is a used latch that has been cleaned up and replated in yellow zinc.  Unfortunately, the plating flakes off.  I also got a latch cover.

My pull wire has a crimped on loop on the end I didn't want to undo so I rendered my old latch unusable getting it off.

The hole for the wire connection doesn't align with the wire tube in my car so I decided I would drill and tap a hole above it and put in a #6 machine screw to attach the loop in my wire.  It took multiple drill bits including 2 cobalt to make the hole and when tapping the hole the tap broke off.

So, I used a piece of safety wire to tie the pull wire to the latch hole and slot.

The moment had come to try it.  That is when I discovered that the post slot in the latch is more narrow than the slot in my old latch and the post on my deck lid is too big.

 

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After spending about a month in Ed's world I emerged today.

After widening the slot in the Fiat latch I still couldn't get the post on my deck lid to engage.

So, I devised a new way to attach a cable to my original latch (I ruined the previous attachment).  This required a new, longer cable.  I had to cut off the knob and thread the end for the knob from the old cable.

I installed the old latch but now the deck lid post wouldn't engage it either.  This was very strange because it worked before.

I thought maybe the lid post wasn't going deep enough in the latch slot.  I enlarged the latch mounting holes so I could move the latch up a bit.

Now the latch engaged but it wouldn't release.  So, now I couldn't open the engine compartment.

I removed the grille from the lid and loosened the post.  I wiggled it around a bit. I attached bungee cords from the lid to overhead and pulled the cable and the lid opened.

I moved the little lifting arm and spring from the Fiat latch to my old latch and now all seems to work as it should.

I would be happy to send the bracket and spring shown in a photo I posted earlier in this thread to anyone who would give it a good home.

Michael McKelvey posted:

After spending about a month in Ed's world I emerged today.

After widening the slot in the Fiat latch I still couldn't get the post on my deck lid to engage.

So, I devised a new way to attach a cable to my original latch (I ruined the previous attachment).  This required a new, longer cable.  I had to cut off the knob and thread the end for the knob from the old cable.

I installed the old latch but now the deck lid post wouldn't engage it either.  This was very strange because it worked before.

I thought maybe the lid post wasn't going deep enough in the latch slot.  I enlarged the latch mounting holes so I could move the latch up a bit.

Now the latch engaged but it wouldn't release.  So, now I couldn't open the engine compartment.

I removed the grille from the lid and loosened the post.  I wiggled it around a bit. I attached bungee cords from the lid to overhead and pulled the cable and the lid opened.

I moved the little lifting arm and spring from the Fiat latch to my old latch and now all seems to work as it should.

I would be happy to send the bracket and spring shown in a photo I posted earlier in this thread to anyone who would give it a good home.

You never know when your little improvement will take you over the bend. : )

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