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Hello everybody,

 

I've had my eye on a speedster since I was 15. Have always been infatuated with them. I'm at a point where I'm seriously considering pulling the trigger. I live in LA, so I'm looking at Vintage in particular. I know JPS is in town as well, but Vintage seems like they have more speedsters on the road, which makes them seem like a better option to me. Hoping I can pick your brains and get some insight from people who know best.

 

In a nutshell, I've read postings in the forums here for years, and the main thing I'm worried about is my complete lack of know how when it comes to anything mechanical. It worries me because there are so many forum discussions about particular mechanical systems, components and parts which I know nothing about. It's clear that these cars are temperamental and there will be things that pop up here and there much more than the mass produced cars I've only owned. 

 

As much as I want this car, I don't want something that's going to be a constant source of headaches mechanically. With my lack of mechanical knowledge, I'd have to take it I'm guessing to a VW repair shop every time something goes wrong, which is going to be more costly vs. being able to make repairs on my own, like so many of you have the expertise to do.

 

It wouldn't be my daily driver, but I can see driving it more than only on the weekends. I'll also most likely want to drive it at least once a month to Palm Springs (4 hours round trip) and occasionally to Las Vegas (10 hours round trip).

 

Also, can you give me some idea of how much it's going to be to insure it as a second car and details about registering it?

 

I'm planning to drive to Hawaiian Gardens this Saturday to meet Kirk and dip my toe in the water, but I wanted to get opinions from a knowledgeable third parties.

 

As you all know, this ain't exactly a cheap purchase, so I just want to be comfortable before I make such a big investment.

 

Any and all advice and guidance you can give would GREATLY appreciated!!!

 

Thanks!

 

Brad

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Read this:

 

https://www.speedsterowners.com/pages/articles_ready

 

I also pulled the trigger recently on a Vintage Speedster built car last September.  My knowledge of mechanics was limited to oil changes, battery changes, changing headlights etc. Since buying my car I taught myself how to adjust the valves, added an anti-sway bar, rear camber compensator, rewired my headlights, and several other things.  I had no idea how to any of that before but found out it wasn't that difficult.  Google, YouTube, and this website are my advisers/friends.  I should say I didn't have to do any of those things, other than adjust the valves, I just wanted to make the car mine.

 

Don't sweat the small stuff.

I have owned a spyder with a 2109cc CB Performance aircooled, a suby spyder and my current VW/Audi watercooled IM 356 D.  My mechanical abilities are limited.  The only way I would even think about getting an aircooled car was if I actually lived where the engine was built, like LA.  I think getting the car from Vintage and buying a CB engine are a pretty safe bet if you live in LA.  But you should go to CB meet with Pat and let him know that you live right down the street.  Being on the east coast with limited mechanical abilities I'll stick with water cooling.  Turn the key and go.

More than your knowledge, I think the most important question regards your disposition.

 

Unless you are willing to pay for a top-end car or learn to do a lot of stuff yourself, or both, you need an attitude like Jim Ignacio to really get in the groove with one of these cars.

 

If you get frustrated when stuff isn't perfect, then you'll be frustrated a lot.

 

If you have a frame of mind that all you should ever have to pay for is gas and oil once a year, then you'll feel like the car is eating you alive.

 

If rattles, squeaks, and stuff falling off the car is going to make you afraid to drive it past the corner gas station, than you probably aren't ever going to trust it much.

 

If you are in a "time critical" mode a lot of the time, your car's cantankerous attitude is going to leave you angry.

 

The good news is that in LA there are people who can fix it. It's not like that many other places, so I don't think you need to be possessed with the ghost of Gene Berg to own one. But, on the flip side, a AAA card with free 100 mi. towing would probably be a good idea. An air-cooled car is not like a simpler version of your Honda. It's more like a fancier version of a lawn mower, built in somebody's back shed.

 

"Curb your expectations", and you'll learn to love it. 

Last edited by Stan Galat
Originally Posted by LongTimeLurker:

Don't be too afraid as any big city should have several VW repair places.

Two words, Mr. Lurker:

  1. Rust
  2. Belt

We're not a big city, but we are a smaller metro area (500k people in the economic impact zone) with some money from 2 Fortune 500 company's HQs, and a regional health-care center. We have no such shops.

" Buy a used one " is good advise if.... you are mechanical and can wrench then and now so to speak as they are rolling hobbies that are never quite done ~

VS is in your back yard and does a nice build at a reasonable price,  there are other good choices with good service such as Beck and IM  

IMHO I recommend a 1915 motor as it runs strong w/o having cooling issues.

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Don't knock those back yard sheds.  I know a guy who does a great job out of his.  Local guy.  Now admittedly it's a big double shed with heat and air but sheds are good.    I didn't see any lawn mowers in there either. I have a big one in my back yard too it's an almost must have.  No heat or electricity but it could happen...  

 

I've been told what one of the better known builders works out of and maybe we should get a collection together and send him some Pa quality sheds.  Quality shed for quality cars.  See my sense of humor is coming back.   

My 1st replica was a Vintage Speedster that I owned for 15 years, drove it pretty much on a daily basis (SoCal), logged 100,000 relatively trouble-free miles all over the Western states (CA, NV, WA, OR, AZ, UT, CO).

 

Palomar Mountain front

 

After an accident, replaced that car with another Vintage Speedster. Daily driver used as previous. In 8 months ownership, have logged 10,000 trouble-free miles.

 

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I've enjoyed every mile driving these cars (even with their imperfections) without angst over which brand of oil to use, inaccuracy of tachometer, speed or travel of shifter pattern, etc.

 

Don't sweat the small stuff, drive & enjoy the car as if each time may be your last time to do so (there is no promise of tomorrow)!

 

I'm just saying...

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Originally Posted by Stan Galat, '05 IM, 2276, Tremont, IL:
Originally Posted by LongTimeLurker:

Don't be too afraid as any big city should have several VW repair places.

Two words, Mr. Lurker:

  1. Rust
  2. Belt

We're not a big city, but we are a smaller metro area (500k people in the economic impact zone) with some money from 2 Fortune 500 company's HQs, and a regional health-care center. We have no such shops.

That supirses me Stan.  How about the 914 guys in Perioa?  

Originally Posted by Marty Grzynkowicz-2012 IM Suby-Roadster:
That supirses me Stan.  How about the 914 guys in Perioa?  

Brad Mauyer is happy to work on your 914, and he's the 914 guru east of the Mississippi. Anything else... not so much. He's carved out a nice little niche for himself being very specific, and there's not much incentive to do anything else. Kauth and Mauyer (the shop he owned before selling out and starting 914 limited) is a fantastic German shop, but VW stuff is not their thing either. I've taken my car there for Delrin bushings, but even the air-cooled guys don't work much on hotted up VWs. We're really out here on the edge when you stop and think about it.

 

It's been 35 years since ACVWs were sold new, and 15 since A/C Porsche 6s were. That's a long time. The VW shops (the ones that used to be in every city) all catered to the single-port/1500 cc crowd.

 

It's pretty thin.

 

 

Brad, the main thing to remember is that a Speedster is not a car.

 

At least not as most of us understand what a 'car' is today.

 

Have you ever noticed how many low mileage Speedsters are up for sale? And I mean really low mileage - 1000 miles, 2000 miles. There are many reasons for this, but I think it's mainly because most of those folks thought they were buying a car and found out otherwise.

 

They thought they could jump in a brand new one, turn the key, and drive off happily into the sunset until the 15,000-mile checkup. They thought they could take it up to the lake for a week and have a perfect, uninterrupted vacation.  They thought if it rained, they'd put the top up. If it got cold, they'd turn on the heat. You know - a car.

 

And maybe some of them even thought, "Hey, it's a Porsche - I'll be leaving everyone in my dust - especially on the freeway."

 

You've got to be a little bit crazy to still want one of these after you understand what they are. 

 

But you're in luck - there are lots of us crazy people here to help. Of course, we're not always quite as candid in a public forum like this as we might be if we sat down with you over a beer.

 

But wait! You're in even better luck! In two weeks, and not far from you, there will be a gathering of fifty or so crazy people and an assortment of all kinds of Speedsters - from the basic models up to the fanciest. You'll be able to see these cars, sit in them, and maybe even drive a few. You'll be able to get the real stories from these crazy people on what to look out for when buying one. And Brad, best of all, there will be beer.

 

If you're halfway serious about getting a Speedster, or even if you're not, the big do in San Luis Obispo is the weekend of June 5-7. You'd be crazy to miss it.

 

Details here:

 

https://www.speedsterowners.com...2015-west-coast-meet

 

and here:

 

https://www.speedsterowners.com...coast-cruise-caravan

 

 

 

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Wow, thank you Satco, and to all the other very generous people that have replied. One thing I love about speedster nation is that is seems like a real family, there's bad and good, but everyone seems to dwell on the good. The San Luis Obispo meet sounds like a great weekend. I will try my best to make it. My last name is Beerbohm, so if you see a short, wide eyed 45 year old up there that weekend, I'd love to talk to all of you, and even more so to see all your gorgeous rides. I'm writing it down in my calander. Thanks again, guys...

Originally Posted by BradB:

Wow, thank you Satco, and to all the other very generous people that have replied. One thing I love about speedster nation is that is seems like a real family, there's bad and good, but everyone seems to dwell on the good. The San Luis Obispo meet sounds like a great weekend. I will try my best to make it. My last name is Beerbohm, so if you see a short, wide eyed 45 year old up there that weekend, I'd love to talk to all of you, and even more so to see all your gorgeous rides. I'm writing it down in my calander. Thanks again, guys...

 

 

Brad, going to the SLO meet is one of the best things you can do at this point. Talk to owners of various Speedsters, garner as much knowledge about the cars, the pros and the cons and get the 'starry eyed' look out of your eyes when ever you see a Speedster...I think we've all been there, I know I have, we love the look of them, we see the shiny paint, the flashy wheels, hear the rumble of the exhaust, picture in our minds ourselves owning and driving one... yet few really take the time to get to know the real nitty-gritty of ownership about them...and that is no matter the make of the car.

 

As a decades long 'car guy' I've owned and built a lot of different cars over the years and owning a Speedster has always been on my 'like to own' list. And I like to work on cars as a hobby. Owned mine now since OCT of '14...it's a used CMC 'widebody', it was neglected for several years and needed a lot of TLC, the price was right and i was looking for another project. My knowledge of cars has always been primarily about American V-8 powered ones and learning about a VW, air cooled flat-4 has been an eye opener and thanks to many of the group here and the sharing of their knowledge base a real blessing in helping me avoid costly mistakes. Got the car on the road a few weeks ago and have driven it as much as I can, so far it has been running fine and it is fun to drive, not particularly 'fast' as much as quick, lots of thumbs ups and turned heads when driving by. Most of my driving has been local within 30 miles from home so far, I'll slowly work up to longer distances before I truly begin to feel real comfortable with it...of course this is something I've gone thru with darn near every car I've ever built or re-built.

 

Jon H. gave some real good advice buy a sorted out used one first. This gives you a chance to get to 'know' the car, then you can make a decision on if you want have a new one built for you..you may not like some things about it, that is a real possibility. Buying a good used one for less $$ still gives you a chance to maybe get your investment back by reselling or not losing a bundle...paying $30+K on a new one I can guarantee you will take a big hit if you sell soon after purchase.

 

I'd always wanted a bucket T street rod and was going to build one, even was at the point of ordering a kit from Speedway, but I soon found out I would not be happy at all owning one because I got to drive one first. For me it was uncomfortable as all get out, steering wheel almost between my knees, no leg room, head  above the windshield frame, very little room between gas, clutch and brake pedals and my feet were always getting tangled up on the pedals...driving that one car saved me from making a costly mistake.

 

 

 

 

Originally Posted by labull:

       

Brad,

 

Please try to get to the SLO run. walk up and introduce your self. There are always some open right seats.

 

Look forward to seeing you.

 

Larry


       

Brad,
I agree with Larry. Try to swing by the SLO gathering. Make it for happy hour on Friday or the dinner on Saturday.

If you make it, there will be a guy with a red speedster with a black and white checkered hood. You'll notice him by the swagger in his step and his yapping about some new shocks. Ignore that guy. He's crazy. The madness has consumed him.

Ted

Brad, one word of caution about buying a used speedster....you will want to modify it.  The urge to buy new things for your baby will be VERY strong.

Resist the urge with all your might, if you plan on buying a new speedster in the future.

Drive it, enjoy it, and figure out what changes you'd make on a new build.

 

On the other hand, if you buy a used speedster and decide to keep it a long time you can join the Big Spenders Club and shower your baby with lavish gifts.

I'm a proud member (proof is the empty bank account).

Last edited by Ron O

Bigger engines and more power (and maybe even dry sump), a 5 speed gearbox, limited slip or Quaiffe differential, better brakes all around, a Mendeola suspension, lighter wheels, wider tires, oh, it's time to rework the engine for more power again....

 

Most guys' cars are never finished.

 

 

It's all part of the  MADNESS!

 

Ron and Stan are particularly long time sufferers and have it bad! Bob's going through a heavy bout at the moment and Ted's a newer addition, but equally afflicted. No one's immune...

 

Last edited by ALB
Originally Posted by Ron O, 1984/2010 IM, B.C. Canada:

Brad, one word of caution about buying a used speedster....you will want to modify it.  The urge to buy new things for your baby will be VERY strong.

Resist the urge with all your might, if you plan on buying a new speedster in the future.

Drive it, enjoy it, and figure out what changes you'd make on a new build.

 

On the other hand, if you buy a used speedster and decide to keep it a long time you can join the Big Spenders Club and shower your baby with lavish gifts.

I'm a proud member (proof is the empty bank account).

As true as Ron's statement is, it's a lot like mantra of The Borg (That alien life-form from Star Trek). Resistance is futile, we will assimilate you.

 

I bought a perfectly well sorted used Speedster that needed nothing done to it.  That lasted less than a week. I've since put in a custom stereo, anti-sway bar, rear camber compensator, new horns, new headlights with a complete wiring upgrade, thin-line sump, and a third brake light.

 

Yeah, resistance is futile.

Last edited by Robert M
As long as you realize the madness you're ok .   It's when you think every one has it and it's there fore normal you may be in too deep.   For me my age is tending to limit my willingness to put up with the hassles .  Now had I the skills to solve my own problems different story.  I do believe that Carey could build a car that I would happy with and so could Henry at IM.  Should I spend the money?   Will I ?   Time will tell.   I do believe that a car set up correctly could be used as I would desire and it would be a car that I could trust.   This JPS probably can be made right if the 3rd owner does his part and has Steeles help and blessings.  We'll see I guess

Alas, TRP is correct; I am consumed by the madness. as you've read above little bits and pieces along the way. buy a used speedster, new carpet, big boy bucket seats, outboard multi-pass oil cooler, front discs, wrap the hood, AJ Simms carb rework and vacuum advance distributor. Oh, somewhere a stereo got in there.

 

Then one day I'm talking to this nice kid from imperial Beach, on a run to Warner Springs, he says "hey I got this new suspension it'll probably work on a car like yours..."

 

So here I am with the Tawdry speedster with new shocks and a front/Rear suspension transplant, four wheel Discs, wide fives and torkmaster wheels. Next a torque induced plasma transcanabulator.

 

This has been a great hobby, many enjoyable miles and great people to enjoy them with.

 

Embrace the madness.

 

all the best

 

Larry

 

 

 

rotwang

 

Ride home

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Originally Posted by ALB:

What engine is in it, Robert?

I traced the VIN number back to the original owner who had VS build it for him and he said he had it built with a 1915 cc motor. Of course it has had five owners before me including Troy, twice, but I couldn't imagine someone would put a smaller motor in it. Unless of course they wanted the larger motor for a different project.

 

No prior experience with air-cooled motors so until I take it in someday for serious work and have it confirmed I'll go with what the original owner told me.

Originally Posted by Sacto Mitch . . . . 2013 VS:

 

Larry, you won't be happy with the stock transcanabulator for very long.

 

The Gene Berg version, while pricey, is worth every penny.

 

 

What luck! Larry, I have an NOS Berg modified transcanabulator that you can have for 3/4 of the catalog price (I bought a lot of Berg stuff back in the day). Anything for a fellow SOC member. As ol' Gene said, "Buy the best and cry once!".

Last edited by ALB
Originally Posted by ALB:

       
Originally Posted by Sacto Mitch . . . . 2013 VS:

 

Larry, you won't be happy with the stock transcanabulator for very long.

 

The Gene Berg version, while pricey, is worth every penny.

 

 

What luck! Larry, I have an NOS Berg modified transcanabulator that you can have for 3/4 of the catalog price (I bought a lot of Berg stuff back in the day). Anything for a fellow SOC member. As ol' Gene said, "Buy the best and cry once!".


       


Did you get the left hand or right hand threaded one?
Originally Posted by ALB:

I had heard rumors of it's existance, Lane, but hadn't actually seen one yet...

 

And Ted- I'll have to look; it's been so long.

 

Originally Posted by Robert McEwen:
Originally Posted by ALB:

What engine is in it, Robert?

...I traced the VIN number back to the original owner who had VS build it for him and he said he had it built with a 1915 cc motor...

 

 

This is the problem with the madness; someone like me will convince you that another 40 or 50 hp and a bunch more power down low would be so much more fun, and then start on how a stroker crankshaft and some 40x35 heads is not all that much, really. And depending on what it has for brakes, it might be a good idea to think about upgrading those next. And what have you got for tires/rims. And you'll have to talk to Terry Nuckels about how much fun a 5 speed is!

 

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Lane, if I wanted a quantumcanabulator, I would have gotten a Miata.

 

To me, the whole point of these cars is staying in touch with the raw, mechanical side of driving.

 

Transcanabulators are quirky. They can drive you nuts sometimes. The Chinese repops are crap. Some say even the Spanish ones are nowhere as good as the originals. But this is why I drive a Speedster in the first place.

 

Most drivers today have no idea what a canabulator is. They don't even know their cars have them. Every once in a while, a dervil clogs, they throw an error code, and the dealer plugs  in a whole new one.

 

I like to think I'm driving the damned car and not some microprocessor - one eye on the gauge, one ear on the engine, and feeling what the transcanabulators are doing through the seat of my pants.

 

They remind me that all cars once had them, and of an even earlier time, when sharpmeyers were made of wood and men were made of steel.

 

 

Originally Posted by Sacto Mitch . . . . 2013 VS:

 

Lane, if I wanted a quantumcanabulator, I would have gotten a Miata.

 

To me, the whole point of these cars is staying in touch with the raw, mechanical side of driving.

 

Transcanabulators are quirky. They can drive you nuts sometimes. The Chinese repops are crap. Some say even the Spanish ones are nowhere as good as the originals. But this is why I drive a Speedster in the first place.

 

Most drivers today have no idea what a canabulator is. They don't even know their cars have them. Every once in a while, a dervil clogs, they throw an error code, and the dealer plugs  in a whole new one.

 

I like to think I'm driving the damned car and not some microprocessor - one eye on the gauge, one ear on the engine, and feeling what the transcanabulators are doing through the seat of my pants.

 

They remind me that all cars once had them, and of an even earlier time, when sharpmeyers were made of wood and men were made of steel.

 

 

This sounds like a bunch of confabulators confabulating about quantum transcanabulators on a website specifically for confabulating. 

 

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