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Banzai Pipeline posted:
Will Hesch posted:

reasonable offers: $30K and that's a deal!

35K is a deal when you consider FULL leather($2000) , FUCHS($2000), A/C($3500), square weave($1200) and today starts at $60,000 with NO options. A freakin bargain......methinx.....somebody has to buy this. This car us an easy $75K if ordered TODAY

yeah, but he says: "open to reasonable offers"...$30K...bingo, deal of the year!

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Will Hesch posted:
Banzai Pipeline posted:
Will Hesch posted:

reasonable offers: $30K and that's a deal!

35K is a deal when you consider FULL leather($2000) , FUCHS($2000), A/C($3500), square weave($1200) and today starts at $60,000 with NO options. A freakin bargain......methinx.....somebody has to buy this. This car us an easy $75K if ordered TODAY

yeah, but he says: reasonable offers considered...$30K...bingo!

$28,700 CASH?  and 3 cases of CORONITAS?

WNGD posted:

25 year old car. You can't just act like this is comparable to a new IM order 

AGREE whole heartedly....but I saw a 1992 Roadster/Meissen BLUE that was an excellent build. IM was making very fine cars back then and the quality control/finish/execution was/is as today despite improvements in technology. The hard fact is, that IF in good shape, will likely be a fine buy for someone. I have a pal with a 1959 "190" Ponton Benz that will likely last another 60 years....the quality of materials and build are extraordinary despite the fact that it is slower than molasses in the ARCTIC 

IaM-Ray posted:

Sorry but that is an old car and cannot be compared to a new build!

 

edit .... on the other hand it could present-value if tou must have an IM with roll up windows... but until gone over by an experienced person it might be needing a lot  of work ... just saying

Exactly what I was saying. You can't just state that a new comparable build would be $90,000 so this 25 year old car at $30,000 with no accident, maintenance history or real condition detail must be a great deal. And adding CAPS and exclamation marks!!! doesn't make it more so 

Having said that, it might be a great deal 

IaM-Ray posted:

Sorry but that is an old car and cannot be compared to a new build!

 

edit .... on the other hand it could present-value if tou must have an IM with roll up windows... but until gone over by an experienced person it might be needing a lot  of work ... just saying

The year of build is NOT necessarily a doom parameter. AT what point is it? I DON 'T KNOW myself. My IM6 cost $101K in 2008 and I bought it almost 10 years later(only 6700 miles) for 60K which is 40% off of original build price, but 53% off of 2017 price of 128K.....and it was/is almost MINT, short of a few minor swollen glands!

There is NOT a whole lot of difference between a 2017 IM6 and my 2008 IM6 other than $68,000 big ones. If that 93 IM, with 23,000 miles, is in excellent condition, why is it NOT comparable to a 2017 roadster....sure the 1915 with dual Kadrons, and fake FUCHS, etc is slightly out of date, but if all is in good shape, why not save $45K off of a 2017 Roadster. 

The 2017 pricing, in MY opinion, makes my IM6 a BARGAIN along with the 93 Roadster, if, in fact it is in excellent condition. IM quality of build has never wavered, so I ask those in the know(?), and I dont claim to be, at what point does year of build matter?

It only matters if the car is a piece of sh*t....methinx and more often than not, IM cars have been quite sturdy in value and build(?). I'm open to listen to apples and apples, apples and oranges, and whatever else is determenent of value and comparison.

WNGD posted:
IaM-Ray posted:

Sorry but that is an old car and cannot be compared to a new build!

 

edit .... on the other hand it could present-value if tou must have an IM with roll up windows... but until gone over by an experienced person it might be needing a lot  of work ... just saying

Exactly what I was saying. You can't just state that a new comparable build would be $90,000 so this 25 year old car at $30,000 with no accident, maintenance history or real condition detail must be a great deal. And adding CAPS and exclamation marks!!! doesn't make it more so 

Having said that, it might be a great deal 

you might be right

New builds bring the latest techniques in IM builds a ten y.o.car can be good value and IM do not necesaarily follow the standard depreciation curve of anew porsche boxters

i would hesitate to look at an older vehicle without knowing the history of the car and doimg a full workup

evaluations of cars is im the eye of the beholder and some buy when I would pass On the car

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think, after 25 years, what matters with ANY used car is 20 per cent original build quality and 80 per cent how well it's been maintained.

No matter what you might conclude about the first part, the second is a vast unknown until you do a PPI.

I remember looking at an early IM with good specs that showed well online. A quick drive revealed a strong mildew odor inside - itself a job to remove, but a tell on how the car had been treated over the years.

There are a million stories in the naked classifieds.

 

Most would agree....that it is the integrity of the individual car for sale, that dictates its value....in context with other factors, whatever they may be. Certainly inflation has had its affects on certain company's products as in the case of IM with the added currency swing via USA/CANADA. Year of build has the potential to add value to a given scenario if context allows.

A worthwhile exercise if many cars are available of a particular model is to do a SSheet with the years and value of vehicles along their depreciation value usually a vehicle hits rock bottom at a certain point no matter what it is.  At that point condition takes over as Sacto Mitch suggested.  

Phil Edmunston wrote a book called lemonaid that gives this info and depreciation line etc etc.. he figures for a DDriver a 4 year used car with all the stuff done... brakes, exhaust etc etc. is the car to buy and keep for 10 years. 

Unfortunately, these cars have a limited market and at times are scarce so the game changes somewhat and other factors come into play... LIKE MADNESS ... you want it, you want it, you want it...  

I was only pointed that fact out and Banzai you might be the one that lucked out while others did not.  just saying. 

Thirty years in journalism has helped hone my character-assessment skills, so I try to buy used cars by judging the owner as much as the car. (This is the second big reason why I have never bought a car from a dealer).

Old cars, driven few miles, still age. For example, rubber deteriorates steadily whether its exercised or not. If all the hoses and seals were recently replaced, that tells you something important about the owner.  

JustinN posted:

@Banzai Pipeline it is/was totally roadworthy -- I've been driving it ever since it arrived! Visually, it is stunning. I am going to catch it up on maintenance items (fluids, carb/valve adjustment, gas gauge adjustment) and upgrade the radio to a RetroSound unit...but other than that, it was a STEAL!

GREAT...when I saw it on SAMBA and posted it above, it seemed to me to be a good deal, although I do NOT KNOW exactly what you paid for it...which is fine and NOT my biz....but it looked MAHVELOUS and glad you scored. IM makes a great car and glad you got it. Hold on to it....

Sacto Mitch posted:

 

I think, after 25 years, what matters with ANY used car is 20 per cent original build quality and 80 per cent how well it's been maintained.

No matter what you might conclude about the first part, the second is a vast unknown until you do a PPI.

I remember looking at an early IM with good specs that showed well online. A quick drive revealed a strong mildew odor inside - itself a job to remove, but a tell on how the car had been treated over the years.

There are a million stories in the naked classifieds.

 

Truest statement on this post. The gentleman who bought my IM got a steal.  When I bought it used, not so much.  When I sold my car it was pretty close to perfect.  When I bought it, not so much.  Folks like me with little mechanical knowledge may be better off buying new.  But as many have pointed out, even some new cars have to be sorted.  It's all a bit of a crap shoot. 

One reason I'm letting Greg Leach keep my new spyder for a month and drive it.  Hopefully if there are Gremlins lurking he will find them. 

550 Phil posted:
Sacto Mitch posted:

 

I think, after 25 years, what matters with ANY used car is 20 per cent original build quality and 80 per cent how well it's been maintained.

No matter what you might conclude about the first part, the second is a vast unknown until you do a PPI.

I remember looking at an early IM with good specs that showed well online. A quick drive revealed a strong mildew odor inside - itself a job to remove, but a tell on how the car had been treated over the years.

There are a million stories in the naked classifieds.

 

Truest statement on this post. The gentleman who bought my IM got a steal.  When I bought it used, not so much.  When I sold my car it was pretty close to perfect.  When I bought it, not so much.  Folks like me with little mechanical knowledge may be better off buying new.  But as many have pointed out, even some new cars have to be sorted.  It's all a bit of a crap shoot. 

One reason I'm letting Greg Leach keep my new spyder for a month and drive it.  Hopefully if there are Gremlins lurking he will find them. 

YOU are not wrong there Phil, everycar has something that shows up but many times the manufacturer knocks one out of the park  Merry Xmas .... New Years is just around the corner and countdown begins to the next season of driving.

IaM-Ray posted:

Another guy that was at the right place was Banzai

Thanks DUDE...MERRY XMAS: just went for a ride and I am grateful that I was at the right place at the right time. I would say that most of us scored our rides in a special set of circumstances, whether a detailed pursuit or a perchance ebay/samba/BAT ad/ car show that panned out nicely. We are all lucky to have our tubs/coupes/spyders and the good old SOC for airing the laundry.

 

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