Insurance suggestions for a Beck.....

@skippythedog

I have my Beck (currently in for repair after major accident) insured with Hagerty and couldn't be happier.  I drive it on weekends and to major gatherings like Carlisle, totaling 4-5k miles per year at a cost around $500 for an agreed value of $35k.  Your price was a smokin' deal.  If you get an agreed value in the neighborhood of what you paid, your cost should be considerably less than mine.

EDIT: Regarding the driving lights, check with Carey Hines ( @chines1 ) at Special Edition (Beck manufacturer) for a set of Marchals.  They mount them by simply drilling through the top of the front bumper.  I believe mine are (were?) about 15"-18" apart.  See picture.

Spectacular purchase! Looking forward to seeing pics of this beauty cruising Seattle!

Mounting driving lights to the bumper can induce jiggling, depending on where they are mounted.  The bumpers are fiberglass and not the most rugged thing you could mount to so they allow the light to vibrate slightly.  A better solution might be a mount that clamps on to the bumper mount bars and holds the light securely.  If you do a search on here you'll probably see a photo os someone's set-up.  In the photos below showing my Nerf Bars, those mounts simply grasp the top and bottom of the bumper bracket and have a 90º tab at the top to mount the light to.  They're pretty effective.

My car is more of an outlaw with Nerf Bars for bumpers, so I made up a pair of stainless steel brackets bolted directly to the body.  Massive overkill, but they look decent and don't vibrate.  The lights shown are Marchal 672/682 Driving light reproductions (non-fluted lens), are period-correct and are available from Beck or on eBay.  There is also a fog light version (fluted lens either clear or amber) for the same money.  If you go Marchal, make sure you get the H3 Halogen bulb version, NOT the Tungsten bulb, for better brightness.  A good alternative is the Hella 500 (round) series, but the Hella lens is flat, rather than nippled.  If all you want is decent light, either will do.  Make sure you run a relay for the driving lights - the headlight switch can't handle the extra current.

For mounting fog lights check out the brackets that are offered by Sierra Madre.  They clamp onto the ca's bumper mounts and are really excellent.  Easy to install and stay perfectly in place.   Not cheap at $168.50 a pair but they're better than any other way of mounting the fog lights.   And If you ever decide to remove your fog lights you won't leave holes in the bumpers. 

Sierra Madre's p/n is SMC.465.000

Gordon Nichols posted:

Mounting driving lights to the bumper can induce jiggling, depending on where they are mounted.  The bumpers are fiberglass and not the most rugged thing you could mount to so they allow the light to vibrate slightly.  A better solution might be a mount that clamps on to the bumper mount bars and holds the light securely.  If you do a search on here you'll probably see a photo os someone's set-up.  In the photos below showing my Nerf Bars, those mounts simply grasp the top and bottom of the bumper bracket and have a 90º tab at the top to mount the light to.  They're pretty effective.

My car is more of an outlaw with Nerf Bars for bumpers, so I made up a pair of stainless steel brackets bolted directly to the body.  Massive overkill, but they look decent and don't vibrate.  The lights shown are Marchal 672/682 Driving light reproductions (non-fluted lens), are period-correct and are available from Beck or on eBay.  There is also a fog light version (fluted lens either clear or amber) for the same money.  If you go Marchal, make sure you get the H3 Halogen bulb version, NOT the Tungsten bulb, for better brightness.  A good alternative is the Hella 500 (round) series, but the Hella lens is flat, rather than nippled.  If all you want is decent light, either will do.  Make sure you run a relay for the driving lights - the headlight switch can't handle the extra current.

@Gordon Nichols

Photos not there.

Hmmmm......   I can see them both on mine and your posts......

Another bumper mount is from CIP1 at roughly half the price of Sierra Madre (I suspect that S-M is of a higher quality).  This version has longer/higher light placement - the Sierra Madre version mounts the light lower.

http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDe...1%2D941%2D351%2DCHPR

@skippythedog congrats on the car and fantastic price. I am on my second Beck, my first was your exact color combo. I had Carey add driving lights and I can tell you they light up the road very nicely. They were painted merlot to match the body and mounted to the bumper without vibration. I will see if I have any other pics that may help you out. 

As for insurance I had Hagerty and now GEICO (Classic Car). I had claims with both companies, mostly for towing service and had no issue.

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+1 Hagerty

@skippythedog. I'm surprised no one has said it... WELCOME TO THE MADNESS! Beautiful car at a great price.

im also in Seattle and happy to help out if you need anything.  I see in the map you are located in the Renton area.  Near the Boeing plant.  I work at the corporate offices and use my car year round - mostly when not raining heavily.  ( or my 1969 Vespa, or 50s R50 BMW.)... like you I like to drive stuff I like to work on.).  You will likely see me driving up/down Rainier early mornings/ late evenings in a silver VS with whitewalls. 

i was insured with Hagerty, great company, but no longer offers commuting coverage.  I switched to American Modern in 2015, which also offered  agreed value, same perks as Hagerty (including towing), AND commuting to work coverage - 2 days per week, each calendar year ( as long as I had a primary/daily driver vehicle... which in my case is my Q7.). That's over 100 commuting days... so most Seattle sunny  weekdays ;-).  They seem to insure almost everything, great rates.. up~500$ for the car, under 130$ for the bikes year round coverage... and they insure your daily driver as well if you want them to.      Submitted claims a couple times... works great ( towing, windshield... nothing Major).  

A member here had a fire/total loss two years back, and his experience with American Modern was flawless as well if I remember right. ( we talked extensively when I was changing insurance companies... his experience made me feel comfortable about the switch, and now they cover all my classics.)

Let me know if you need local resources for keeping up the car.  Happy to help.

cheers,

Luis

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Latest review on the LEDs.   Happy driving!

I suggest you also check with Grundy about insurance.  I use them and I think they are more flexible about your use of the car.

Lfepardo posted:

@skippythedog. I'm surprised no one has said it... WELCOME TO THE MADNESS! Beautiful car at a great price.

im also in Seattle and happy to help out if you need anything.  I see in the map you are located in the Renton area.  Near the Boeing plant.  I work at the corporate offices and use my car year round - mostly when not raining heavily.  ( or my 1969 Vespa, or 50s R50 BMW.)... like you I like to drive stuff I like to work on.).  You will likely see me driving up/down Rainier early mornings/ late evenings in a silver VS with whitewalls. 

i was insured with Hagerty, great company, but no longer offers commuting coverage.  I switched to American Modern in 2015, which also offered  agreed value, same perks as Hagerty (including towing), AND commuting to work coverage - 2 days per week, each calendar year ( as long as I had a primary/daily driver vehicle... which in my case is my Q7.). That's over 100 commuting days... so most Seattle sunny  weekdays ;-).  They seem to insure almost everything, great rates.. up~500$ for the car, under 130$ for the bikes year round coverage... and they insure your daily driver as well if you want them to.      Submitted claims a couple times... works great ( towing, windshield... nothing Major).  

A member here had a fire/total loss two years back, and his experience with American Modern was flawless as well if I remember right. ( we talked extensively when I was changing insurance companies... his experience made me feel comfortable about the switch, and now they cover all my classics.)

Let me know if you need local resources for keeping up the car.  Happy to help.

cheers,

Luis

Thanks for the tip on AM Insurance...I'm just up the hill from Kubota Gardens.  I too have some scooters: 2 R100's (one w/ a Velorex sidecar), Valkyrie, TW200, an XS650 cafe bike (broke the $10k barrier on parts alone on that one)...and just bought a Zuma 50 from the navigator on the Polar Star Ice breaker...just stuffed a 70cc kit on that one......had a couple of Vespa P200's fairly recently. I used to be  the MAC Tool Dealer in W. Seattle, Airport Way, Ballard, so I know the scooter gang.....Please let me know who the local resources are:..I know Hans in W. Seattle will play with it (for me anyway)...too bad Jack/Wolfsburg Motors in Ballard is gone...they were good. My local haunts, around dusk, are Pritchard Beach or Southpark to let the dog patrol the shoreline....Looks like I lucked out on the title with this one. It is titled as a 57.....Had it been titled as an '05, I apparently would have had to jump through a few hoops to exempt it from emissions... A pan based car is easier to title....Speaking of that....What can you say about a Beck vs a pan based VS?  I've taken a bit of a leap on this car (never sat in a Beck)...but was sold on the tube frame once I sat in an Intermeccanica roadster that was for sale last year out at Giordanos in Carnation...Everything fell together on this deal I had searched for 2-3 years, always just missing local deals, then trying to wrangle buddies to examine ones for me across the country or trying to get enough details to warrant flying somewhere to seal the deal....The seller of this one had no idea what he had...."1600cc motor"....didn't describe it as a Beck etc...When I called back to Beck to check it out, they suggested I have a local shop (former dealer for Beck) in PA check out the car and handle the deal....When I called that fellow, he says, "The car's here now for service...." Old owner never took it home. I let the shop install a 911 blower (heat) since it had the solid fan housing...They filled it up with Avgas LL100 and shoved it on the truck last Thursday...$1370 shipping.....stoked!  

karl

@skippythedog On the "usable light" topic, have you considered LEDs?   https://vintagecarleds.com/

bunch of us use them.  They make a huge difference.  Give Thomas a ring.  He's great to work with guaranteed for life- free replacement.  AWESOME product and customer service.  Run a search on the forum.  This simple retrofit has been discussed in detail. 

cheers,

Let me revert a bit later today... just jumping in the car to head to a mtng.  Becks are awesome.  You found what sounds to be a great car.  

There was a Local IM for sale last week... which sold lighting fast.  Six figure build, that sold for the price of a VS.   unfortunately I had to leave town for business.  I love my VS... only a few guys will touch them locally.  but they local guys a great!

For anything/ everything Franklyn's south of IKEA... he runs a VW Speedshop, has a IM, and is an all around nice experienced guy that build/restores anything VW and A few porsches.  He does local work for CB Performance customers- Pat Downs ( CA) originally pointed me to him as a local resource.

Then there is Wagensmitt ( near the UW).  Mike is the engine whisperer! Old old school VW guy...run his own shop for +40 yrs, works on cars, now basically one/two at a time.  His expertise is engines, and will teach anyone willing to listen to do the basic maintenance stuff... he is a local gem!  I fear the day he retires and closes shop... he does have one apprentice.

shoot... I'm late.  Got to run.  I will pM you my #. Cheers

+1 Hagerty - I had a lady back into me and put her trailer hitch through the front of my car. Their service was great and the check came very quick and my rates have not increased (over a year).

I've been recommending American Modern for several years.  They were the only company that would put it in writing that you could drive your car to work occasionally.  The others would all say "no problem" but wouldn't put it in writing and the fine print clearly only allowed "pleasure driving."  I know, I know, it's ALWAYS a pleasure driving your car, but do you really ever want to argue that point with a big insurance company?  Get it in writing.

Have you actually seen the car yet?  Where was it advertised?  Wasn't on Trovit was it? 

Car arrived yesterday. It was on Craigslist in West Chester, PA, not listed as a Beck, described as having a 1600 engine....I spied that big shelf behind the fan housing, thought it might be a Beck....inquired w/ Beck etc......has all the usual stuff, CB Performance 1915cc, Freeway Flyer trans....running the small carbs, so 90hp instead of 125.....but I actually like that as I think the low end grunt is better and it should live longer.

I had searched pretty hard for a couple of years, missed a few local cars, expanded the search.....The guys at Beck gave me the name of one of their former dealers in West Chester, Chris Radbill who has a shop there; said he might be willing to inspect and handle the deal etc.....so I called him....he said, "The cars here now getting serviced." I felt pretty confident buying this one sight unseen. Everything just fell together. I had Chris install heater boxes and the 911 blower motor trick, covered the old owners bill and paid $23.5k......$1370 shipping. Nice car. I'm a bit chunky for those seats though...might have to explore an option...  

Nice score on that car, Karl!  @skippythedog

Welcome To The Madness, and wishing you many enjoyable miles of top-down cruising!