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Ah Marty, you had to go and bring up the 275 GTB.

I always get a little weak in the knees whenever I see one - which isn't too often any more, now that they're mostly owned by investment bankers and spend their days parked in climate-controlled warehouses where they are free to gracefully appreciate.

It was the ship of the line Ferrari when I was first learning about sporting machinery (which meant MG's and Triumphs in my neighborhood). We used to dress up in sport coats and ties to try to fool the Ferrari salesmen that we were serious potential owners when we drove up to the dealership in my buddy's Plymouth Valiant. It wasn't until quite a few years later that I fully appreciated the humor of the situation.

Stan is, of course, right in his careful analysis of the numbers. The Ferrari V12 must finish near the bottom in any accounting of horsepower per dollar. It is one of the most absurd devices ever invented for a logical person to own.

But, we're talking cars here. Who said anything about logic or practicality or even common sense?

Skip Barber is one of those rare guys who managed to make a living out of racing cars over a long career - quite a nice living, as it turns out. Today, he could drive practically any car for fun that he wants. He could drive practically any Ferrari that he wants.

Turn up the sound and listen to why he drives a 275 GTB:

 

 

Stan and I had basically the same engine circa 1985. And the same attitude about it: How can this be cheap enough for me? 

I pulled mine out of '76 Impala wagon--a liquor store delivery vehicle I'd bought for $600 and had been driving for a year. The engine was a '74 block with 4-bolt mains, which I knew because, before it had gone in that wagon, it had sat in the back of the shop next to the air compressor for some years at the gas station where I worked. Exchange heads, new main and rod bearings, Weiand intake under the original Q-jet and a small Crane cam and lifters I bought out of the Bargain News for $100 from a guy who told me the 305 he had them in broke.

I'd never heard a Ferrari run, but I got to say: in 3rd gear around 5,000 rpm that engine sounded pretty racy. 

Ed,

350, 4 bolt main, forged crank. It had 202 heads, ported and polished by a guy with a machine shop in the shed behind his house (Dave Hughes Engineering). I had a comp cam, polished rod beams, Forged pistons, balanced, with all the 1980s go-fast stuff (Edelbrock Torquer manifold, Holly 600, etc.). I paid for all of this out of my massively massive $350 twice-monthly check. I ate Fox DeLuxe frozen pizza, and owned two pairs of "nice" jeans and a bunch of black pocket and concert Ts. Every dime went into that engine or gas for it.

I got married in '85, sold all the boy-racer stuff and bought a Dodge Dart with a slant 6. My work car was an early 60s Buick Skylark with the little-bitty 8 and a poweslide.

But in late '84 I had bolted a Marvin Miller plate-type NOS system under the carb on that 350. On the bottle, that engine gave me pause to reflect on the tenuous state of my own mortality at a time when I might have considered my fragile condition on this ball a bit more regularly. This existential reflection occurred in the space of time it would take most normal people to soil themselves. If I had had but one lick of sense, that would have been my reaction as well. The first time I pushed the button while shifting, it scared me almost as badly as the time I threw a chain on a Z1900 at roughly 120 or so.

On the giggle-gas, the engine probably put down 400-ish HP, and you are right-- at about 5500 or so, it sounded like angels singing. I can't imagine what 525 (all the time) must be like, but there's a Ford dealer in Ohio bolting Rousch Stage 2 blowers on Mustang GTs and selling them for $40K. SEVEN HUNDRED AND TWENTY-SEVEN horsepower: in a decent car. $40 grand.

That'd almost buy an oil change in the 275 GTB, if you clipped coupons.

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Kelly---it IS possible to score a Subaru crate motor.  I spoke with someone at Carlisle who actually obtained one but my feeble brain won't tell me who it was.  

He said that in Japan there is a usage tax on motor vehicles that is very small but increases dramatically each year  after year 3.  (Something very close to that.)  The discarded cars are chopped up and turned into new ones.  There is a way to buy a 3 year old car before it gets turned in and by turning it in yourself you are able to get a new crate engine.   I wish I had more details and hope someone will chime in here.  Maybe a Google search would hep and maybe there are companies in Japan who will facilitate this.

The person who told me about this had recently received a Suby crate engine and had it in his car.   Might have been Ron Mullins and his new Beck Air force themed Spyder or even Carey.  (And what a magnificent build that one is!) 

 

 

 

 

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It's actually called a JDM (Japanese Domestic Market) engine.  A crate engine is actually a new engine while the JDM are like you said lightly used. You do have to be careful as some are different that US engines so parts could be issue.  Plus don't you need lots of the sensors and wiring harness to do a transplant?

https://www.jdmenginedepot.com/jdm_engines/subaru

http://japandomesticmotor.com/jdm-engines/Subaru

 

I do like all of this 'coupe talk' and envy Spencer Dillman in Miami who now owns the SAS Crème Brule Coupe that was built for me in 2008.  Some may recall that it was an Elite Pick at Carlisle in 2009.  I do miss it.  Lane Anderson took this picture along the Dragon and it was on the cover of the 2009 SO calendar.sascoupetapococarlisleelite2

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Lane Anderson posted:

I believe that they are somehow related to Vintage Motorsports - perhaps a customizer and reseller - but I could be wrong.  You could check with VM (not affiliated with Vintage Speedsters) as well.

Greg Leach of Vintage Motorsports (formerly Vintage Spyders) in LA is building the first coupe.  It may be complete.  If you go to the Vintage Motorsport website you can see the first coupe in various stages of build.  It looks pretty nice.  Pics are also on their Facebook page.  Seduction completes Vintage Motorsport rollers, mostly Spyders.  This is why Seduction advertises coupes.  If anyone is really interested in one of these coupes you should contact Greg Leach directly.

BTW I believe the Vintage coupe is on a pan.  Obviously Lane's car when complete will be more sophisticated with space frame and modern suspension.  Vintage however has always built a very high quality car. 

I just looked on the Vintage Motorcars Facebook page.  They are building lots of coupes.  They are definitively ready for prime time.  Not sure about the pan thing.  Got to think that Greg would be doing space frame.  Don't know.  Seduction states its a space frame on their web site.  Hey Greg if you are out there could you chime in maybe with some pictures.

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Phil IM356D posted:

Just got a text from Greg Leach.  Vintage Motorcar coupes are currently on a pan.  Space frame is in the works.  Even on a pan I'm sure its an awesome car.

Yup! I space frame they do for the Spyder is gorgeous. It's only a matter of time before they have one for the Coupe they make.

I my entire Friday last week and several hours Saturday at Vintage Motorcars. The builds they are doing are worth every penny. In fact, I ended up going with their turn signal switch they custom make as i fit my steering wheel and steering shaft better. It was an added cost, but their craftsmanship is spot on.

I believe Seduction uses Vintage Motorcars body (the white one is still at Vintage Motorcars) - since Vintage Motorcars created and owns the mold/process for making the Coupe. I marvel at how complex the mold they have and the process to create a coupe... pretty cool stuff for this amateur eyes to see  

Julio B. posted:

Hey Phil and Hoss, thanks for the insight. @Guru39, Does anyone have Spencer Dillman"s contact in Miami? I would love to take a good look at that SAS Coupe if close to me.  I closed the deal with Special Edition a few weeks ago and I'm just waiting on the cue while sourcing some custom items I want for the build.  It is Space Frame suby powered so far. 

I believe Spencer Dilman is in or near Delray

Hey gents!

We're working on our 356 Pre-A Coupe. I haven't posted much about it because I want to perfect everything before selling them. We pre-sold a few and I shouldn't have done that even. 

Mainly what you will see on our Coupes is a new cantilever suspension with aluminum upper and lower a-arms. fully adjustable, adjustable camber plates, bolt-in ball joints with uniball upgrades available, switching over to a bolt-in hub to replace the spindles... yet will still keep the 5x205 bolt pattern for the aluminum 15" wheels. Modern manual steering rack. Speed sensors will be included for our new Subaru engine packages we switched over to... 2.0L twin scroll turbos tuned with Haltech (line launch, cruise control, drive-by-wire, boost by gear, data-logging, antilag, 2-step... the while nine yards). This allows us to tune each gear and control the boost to safely give you 300-400hp by swapping out injectors and simple bolts ons with our own pre-tunes through Haltech. Wider wires will be available... you WILL get tracking with the boost by gear and slip features, traction control features we integrated. 

The first Coupe is pan based... but the next ones will not be. Also, we already had heated seats as a standard feature... but we can now do aircooled seats as well. 

I've spent a lot of time in R&D so we can provide these upgrades and not break your bank accounts. Once we get one complete... I'll post LOTS of pictures. Best part... is with all the modern technology, the Coupe can still look authentic on the outside and interior. We even offer air conditioning that you can control from an app on your cell phone, very hidden!

-Daniel 

 

*LongFella posted:
Phil IM356D posted:

Just got a text from Greg Leach.  Vintage Motorcar coupes are currently on a pan.  Space frame is in the works.  Even on a pan I'm sure its an awesome car.

Yup! I space frame they do for the Spyder is gorgeous. It's only a matter of time before they have one for the Coupe they make.

I my entire Friday last week and several hours Saturday at Vintage Motorcars. The builds they are doing are worth every penny. In fact, I ended up going with their turn signal switch they custom make as i fit my steering wheel and steering shaft better. It was an added cost, but their craftsmanship is spot on.

I believe Seduction uses Vintage Motorcars body (the white one is still at Vintage Motorcars) - since Vintage Motorcars created and owns the mold/process for making the Coupe. I marvel at how complex the mold they have and the process to create a coupe... pretty cool stuff for this amateur eyes to see  

Talk about a small world. Just so happens that Greg took the molds off of a good friends pre A coupe. Now he is producing some of the best bodies on the market and I think the only pre A coupe in the states. Since I already have a completely capable chassis, and the abilities to build vw and Subi powered 5 speed cars, with ac and all the creature comforts including heated seats. I might need to throw my hat in the ring to build some of these. Yea, i might have to buy boddies from Greg but I'll never lead people to believe I make stuff I actually don't. 

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Jethro posted:
Julio B. posted:

Hey Phil and Hoss, thanks for the insight. @Guru39, Does anyone have Spencer Dillman"s contact in Miami? I would love to take a good look at that SAS Coupe if close to me.  I closed the deal with Special Edition a few weeks ago and I'm just waiting on the cue while sourcing some custom items I want for the build.  It is Space Frame suby powered so far. 

I believe Spencer Dilman is in or near Delray

 

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