We can fix THAT!
I love the SP2s - there were a few when I lived in Brazil in the early 1980s. I never liked the front end, though.
Regardless, I'd do a Subaru conversion on one and never look back.
When I checked yesterday there were 5 SPS2s for sale on thesamba. They are in Brazil. The price shipped to the US ranged from about $25,000 to $45,000.
A grille between the headlights would completely fix the front. Stan is right, Subaru conversion, add a grille and rock it.
@DannyP posted:A grille between the headlights would completely fix the front. Stan is right, Subaru conversion, add a grille and rock it.
Bam. Next problem?
I like the shape even more than I like the Puma, but I never warmed up to the orange trim on the side. It goes with a few colors and not with others, but it's actually metal trim with horizontal ribs and it is set into an inset on the side panels, so it can't be easily deleted. I could learn to live with it, though.
While we're talking about an engine upgrade I think I'd want 4-wheel disks and maybe a Cool-Ryde front suspension conversion.
People confuse crank hp and rear wheel hp. Completely different numbers. Do that Subi dyno sheet at crank numbers and they will be more in line with posted numbers generally seen, ie bigger numbers. Crank number sound better. ...Playing with numbers... just saying. Talk up a motor, use crank numbers... talk down a motor, use RWHP... Got a killer motor?! Show us the RWHP!!
Also, very few here have VW dyno sheets posting their HP, and probably most rated 120 VW HP numbers are crank HP also... Just saying. Same goes for 90 HP numbers, and probably original Porcshe HP ratings... The factory's generally rate at the crank. Aftermarket will put it on a chassis dyno.
But that is ok, enjoy the build and HP you have!
I can't vouch for JPS's Subie DOHC JDM motor's HP numbers. Trumped up? (sorry) Its a strong revvy engine regardless of the actual crank HP or rear wheel HP.
Any doubts?... I'll run ya... I have the power I have.
All for fun guys... don't take it too seriously with our plastic Corgi cars lol. Enjoy yours, and I'll enjoy mine. And mine is a coupe with attitude.
@MaxMartens posted:People confuse crank hp and rear wheel hp. Completely different numbers. Do that Subi dyno sheet at crank numbers and they will be more in line with posted numbers generally seen, ie bigger numbers. Crank number sound better. ...Playing with numbers... just saying. Talk up a motor, use crank numbers... talk down a motor, use RWHP... Got a killer motor?! Show us the RWHP!!
Also, very few here have VW dyno sheets posting their HP, and probably most rated 120 VW HP numbers are crank HP also... Just saying. Same goes for 90 HP numbers, and probably original Porcshe HP ratings... The factory's generally rate at the crank. Aftermarket will put it on a chassis dyno.
But that is ok, enjoy the build and HP you have!
I respectfully disagree. Car guys are definitely smart enough to differentiate between crank readings and wheel/chassis dyno numbers. On a type1 VW trans, you typically lose 15-20%. Here's my engine dyno sheet from Jake in Georgia, before my crankfire ignition, dry sump system, and now EFI. This is on Weber 44 IDF and an 009 dizzy:
So, I've got 138 to 145 hp at the wheels, give or take. In a 1500 pound car.
I still say that 230hp(John Steele) number is BS, and BS shouldn't be repeated.
Anyway, I ain't skeered. And yes, I do enjoy the heck out of my car.
Cheers.
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Interesting reasons for owning this car.
"The 911 T was the most stripped-down model in the range, and arguably the most pleasurable experience because of it. No excessive luxuries or functionality to take away from a pure driving experience. Read more about this maximally minimalist Porsche and go behinds the scenes during the making of this film at http://petro.li/911TGallery"
@DannyP posted:I still say that 230hp(John Steele) number is BS, and BS shouldn't be repeated.
Anyway, I ain't skeered. And yes, I do enjoy the heck out of my car.
Cheers.
Well I agree to your point on a JDM DOHC NA making 230 HP could be a hard find. I will research my motor more. Mapping/exhaust might be where a power increase comes from? Your dyno sheet looks very healthy.
One of the most fun things about these cars, I think, is how fast they feel. Low and light and open gives such a different experience from sitting three feet up in your Panamera or whatever, cocooned in leather and Blaupunkt-in Vivaldi, texting Kayleigh to find out when practice is over.
It's the difference between acceleration and exhilaration.
Make no mistake: The soccer mommy in the Porsche SUV will beat you, Max. And me and Danny. The Panamara will soundly thrash any of us, even Cory Drake, whose Revell-badged clown car is capable of pulling wheelies on launch. Six hundred twenty horsepower is a lot of hp, and 3.0 seconds to 60 is very fast.
What most guys still don't realize is, it's been about a decade since there was any use in trying to make these cars hang with modern sports and GT cars on the track or street. You might as well try launching yourself "to Mars" with a steam-powered ski jump over the Snake River Canyon.
This huge gap between fantasy and reality is part of what gives rise to the "Orange County Correction Factor" crank HP numbers guys like John Steele (and many others) insist on advertising. Boys who like toys like big horsepower numbers. It's a fact!
But it doesn't matter.
The clown cars' magic is how death-defying they feel even at normal highway speeds. Most times, even 180 horsepower in a 1650-pound Speedster replica is enough to overwhelm the suspension. You're driving for your life, at 10/10ths, within five seconds of putting your foot down. Every time.
That's exhilaration. Now, the acceleration is still pretty good. My guess is Danny's car is in the low 5s— maybe high 4s—to 60 in the real world. A NA Suby-powered Speedster would likely be a couple 10ths slower, depending on gears. Marty's turbo Suby is gonna clock in a 10th faster, probably. That's an honest 265 HP. Ask Cory what his 60-foot slip was. His car weighs about 1200 pounds and the big Type IV he has was built to pull.
Now, the IMs (like Marty's) with 911 suspension bits can certainly safely handle more power than the beam-and-swingaxle cars. I'm sure the new Beck chassis will be as good, if not better. So it's not unreasonable to predict that, in a few years, modernized clown cars with 350 hp and more will be available to the midlife crisis masses. And they will be glorious 3-second-to-60 machines.
But you gotta ask yourself...will they be more fun?
^ that, all day long.
I once bought a JPS speedster with a "110 hp" 1776: stock heads, stock crank (not even couterweighted), stock internals, with a 90.5 Mahle kit, a W110 cam, and dual ICTs that had never been tuned. It breathed through an EMPI "Monza" exhaust with the dual tips cut off and single pipes welded in their place. If that engine made more than 75 hp at the crank, I'll eat my hat.
Also, has anyone actually witnessed Cory's car pulling the wheels?
@Stan Galat posted:Also, has anyone actually witnessed Cory's car pulling the wheels?
No. For all the hype attributed to that car, I've not seen the same in the real world. Nobody knows what it actually weighs either.
We did run on I-76 back to Mechanicsburg, and I pulled several car lengths on him each time of three times. Jeni was in the passenger seat of his and Chuck Heath was right seat in mine. LennyC and Todd El Taher and wife Sarah also witnessed this. Ended up in the 110 mph range.
Right after that, a hopped-up Miata tried spanking my Spyder. He failed as well.
Fortunately, we all slowed down to a reasonable pace(under 70), there was a PA State Trooper lying in wait. Didn't get a one that day.
I am also trying to plan out my powertrain options... I came across this calculator, that has a really neat shift point simulator, that will account for drops in rpms between shifts. . Just input your transaxle gearing, and tire height.http://www.subarugears.com/Ratios/Ratios.html
On my recent (last week) bike season kickoff, I stopped by Rich MacKoul's shop on the other side of town and his son, Jessie, asked if I saw his wife's new ride out front. It turned out to be a twin-turbo V6 4-door Panamera which has now been chipped up to around 480hp which should shave a little off the stock, published 0 to 60 time of 3.6 secs.
What really gave me a chuckle about @edsnova's piece, is that her license plate says:
"HKYMOM"
Ya gotta love it.
Each of us find what we're looking for in our clown cars. Some want perfect replication, some want a sleeper that will blow the doors off those boyz in their new Camaros, some want a car that puts a smile on the face of bystanders while being comfortable to drive for a few hours. To each his or her own.
My old supercharged Miata did 0-60 in 4.25 seconds but had way too much power for me to EVER bring home a first place trophy in Solo II (couldn't have been the driver so it must have been lighting up the rear tires too much).
My old franken911 turbo did 0-60 in the mid-3 second range and would light up the 10" rear tires at 45mph if you stepped on it. I never raced it or spun it even though it was sitting on the old 1982 SC suspension design. I built the engine to handle up to 700 crank HP, but kept the boost restricted to 425 at the crank. It really didn't need any more. It was simply a beast that you had to respect or it would kill you.
When I built the speedster, I was looking for something different. I didn't want to worry about overtaxing a 50 year old chassis or getting wiggly going around a corner because I was tempted to light them up. I wanted the comfy seats and something that you didn't see everyday. I built what I wanted.
Each of us should buy or build the thing that fits what we want at our time in life. But, we shouldn't take offense that other members of the clown car club don't have the same vision or desire for their cars. Make it your own and appreciate what others have done to do the same.
That being said, I do want to see Hoopty do a wheelie. Maybe @MusbJim can do a video for me???
How bout a few photos‘Michael...
Best
Mike
@MikeM and to you all - thanks for such a lively forum. Like Mike M, I'm new to 'the madness' and exploring options... and your knowledge and experience with the various builders etc. is proving very valuable. Mike - I'd love to connect once you decide on your build with Greg... Enjoy and thanks again.
well said @Michael Pickett.
I've always latched on to something I read here awhile ago (I believe mentioned by @Stan Galat a number of times)......It's a big enough tent for all of us.
You have the speedster/coupe/spyder, conv. D you want, and I'll have the one I want. What matters is that we are all enjoying them the same.
Holy shite! That new build on BaT with a $51k sticker just went for $71k!!!