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The answer is there is no way to tell displacement without taking a cylinder head off of the engine. If you take a head off you can measure bore and stroke and valve sizes.

Unless, of course, the size is written on the back of the fan shroud.

Many Vintages of the Kirk Duncan era(and I'm assuming this is) had 1600, 1776, 1915,2110, or maybe 2332 engines.

Although, it may not be a Kirk car, it may be a Greg Leach car. There is no squiggly alternator wire, which was a tell-tale Kirk thing.

Perhaps call Vintage Motorcars Inc. in Hawaiian Gardens and give them the number stamped on the engine case, as well as the chassis number. They may have records.

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Thanks for your input.

I checked behind the shroud with a mirror - no markings there.. neither right or left.

It was mentioned it is a 2332 cc engine with two Solex 40-28 carbs.

AS 41 eingine case opened for 94mm cylinders,
new 84mm counter weighted crank
12V Chromoly lightened flywheel
New H beam rods
VM2 cam for Solex Carbs
New German lifters
USA made cam gear
94mm AA piston & cylinders
8mm chromoly head studs
26mm Shadak oil pump with full flow cover
new dual port heads with 40x35,5 valves and single high rev springs
1:1 rockers with stock adjusters and solid shafts
Stock bolt on valve covers
8,2:1 compression ratio
Engine is fully balanced
Valvoline VR1 10/30 oil
CB Magna Spark ignition
NKG D6EA Spark plugs.

This is what it is said to be...

For german TUV I will have to go on a test bench anyhow to prove its output and emission rate..

Here are some photos of my engine.

Thanks

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@Impala - the build sheet says it's a 2332. That's a Greg Leech engine. He used to build them in-house, now has Pat Downs doing them. The "VM2" cam and the heads are the only mystery here - I'm assuming Greg is using a custom grind, since he's running Kads, and unless I'm mistaken, he's used Panchitos on these engines since he's been in Hawaiian Gardens.

I think Kuhl is saying he needs to dyno the engine for TUV certification.

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Yes; that VM designation for the cam is a mystery. And you’re right; to me the Kads seem a little small for that displacement, unless they swap venturis and jet them. Coming from builders of that caliber they should work wonderfully. For cams Scat also has their C designations; would be great if they had a table for the Engle equivalents that everyone knows.

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@Kuehl - Let’s see if this might help.

Ask the folks at Vintage Motorcars Inc in California.  
Email them here>    info@vintagemotorcarsinc.com

Give them all that info you showed us up above, including the number stamped in the case and see if they can help.  Mention that you’re trying to get German TUV approval (or whatever the agency is).  Don’t know who will reply, but it will probably be Greg or Anna.  They are very responsive to email queries.

Thanks for your inputs, indeed.

VS mentioned 140 hp for the 2332 engine.
The dyno test will be done on my brand new motor here in Germany while driving ( not on a test-bench) this is "softer" for the new engine.

However an official brake test and road holding test and sound emssion test will be done physically.

As it is (freezing) cold here - and the car is equipped only with summer tyres - these tests will be done whenever it a above 12C centigrade - so that there is grip for the tyres while brake testing - and the tyres are warmed and become silent as not to interfere with the exhaust noise.

Seems I have to wait till March - the test will be done on a closed airfield together with other cars to share the costs of rnting a small airport for 1/2 day..
These tests will be done by the engineer from TUV himself.

Just wanted to inform you as it is handled in Germany :-)

However - will do;-)

BTW : @Impala : What is "KADS" ? Carburetors ?

@WNGD posted:

Values of these cars (like a lot of things) went ballistic through COVID but seem to be coming back at least towards earth recently.

If there is a decrease in value it's only the typical winter slowdown that we see every year.  Just watch as the weather starts getting better and convertible buyers start coming out of hibernation.  They will be just as high and higher than last year.

@Troy Sloan posted:

If there is a decrease in value it's only the typical winter slowdown that we see every year.  Just watch as the weather starts getting better and convertible buyers start coming out of hibernation.  They will be just as high and higher than last year.

I know you've said that a lot but not sure if I agree entirely.

COVID put a lot of things ilogically up in price into a stratoshere that was not sustainable. Housing prices are off significantly from the high and no realtors are explaining that as due to the typical winter slowdown. It's a confirmed retraction for now and holding today's housing value is still in question but defensible.

Also, the stock market is off, new car prices (except EVs generally but now Teslas as well) are stating to come off also and that will bleed into the used car market as well as the toy/hobby market. It's not that I don't think these replicas will still be a good value investment over time, but I don't think we're going to see the heights of last year's insanity for a bit yet.

Good points, but I expect it will at least remain the same as last year.

I don't believe that COVID was the reason for Speedster prices going "ballistic."  They went ballistic because the wait time to have a new one built went from a few months to two or more years almost overnight.  Most of us don't have the patience to wait that long for anything, especially when it's a cool convertible and it's spring time! The format (bidding wars) of the BAT & PcarMarket auction sites also had a big role in fueling that fire.

The prices were slowly going up before Covid.

Where you're wrong, Troy, is Covid contributed greatly to the price increases. Everyone suddenly had TONS of time during Covid. Demand for the cars skyrocketed because because people suddenly had time AND excess cash and the market couldn't supply the demand. Simple economics.

What made it worse was the difficulty in sourcing parts. I waited 6 months for Web-Cam to heat treat a batch of camshafts. I waited almost a year for transmission gears from Weddle. It took me days of searching to find a set of Mahle 94mm pistons and cylinders for a stroker crank. All of these things happened during Covid, along others that were only slight delays.

Unfortunately, I needed to buy 3 work trucks last year. Two were used. The used trucks cost as much as the new ones, but new ones were unavailable for any price.

This is unsustainable, and the market will eventually sort it out - but for the time being, and for the foreseeable future, until new supply can meet demand, prices will remain high.

So it is with replicas as well. Intermeccanica is no more, and I think the market is just catching up to the idea that Kirk and Mary are no longer churning out 2-4 cars a week. Greg got bogged down with special builds, and Beck with bringing the super-coupe on line, and undergoing a major expansion.

As long as there's a 3+ year backlog of orders with existing builders, prices will remain strong.

I think there's something else at work as well - the "inevitable" decline of the ICE car. New conventional cars are getting the short-shrift from car companies in engineering, manufacturing, and marketing. New product is scarce, and legacy product is getting lost in the shuffle. Car guys see the writing on the wall, and are scrambling to get into their "forever car" before the music stops and GM/Ford/Toyota/BMW/Porsche/Mercedes stops building cars they want. 5 years ago, we were living in the golden age of enthusiast automobiles, but the sun is setting.

Complicating this is that a large segment of those enthusiasts would rather have a (say) 6-cylinder Cayman than a new turbo 4 (etc., across all manufacturers), so the market for used cars has gotten stupid. A 3-class BMW from the 80s with 150k+ miles is now a $30K car ($40+ if it's a wagon). Used GTIs are nuts. Everything is sideways. The day of the $8K 996 is long past.

First time replica buyers don't necessarily cross-shop Boxsters, but they're at least aware of the prices. If the Boxsters are strong, it makes the replicas seem like a "better deal" than if we were seeing $50K fancy dune-buggies alongside $10K Boxsters.

As long as demand outstrips supply, prices will be strong. It's pricing guys out of the market.

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@Troy Sloan posted:

Good points, but I expect it will at least remain the same as last year.

I don't believe that COVID was the reason for Speedster prices going "ballistic."  They went ballistic because the wait time to have a new one built went from a few months to two or more years almost overnight.  Most of us don't have the patience to wait that long for anything, especially when it's a cool convertible and it's spring time! The format (bidding wars) of the BAT & PcarMarket auction sites also had a big role in fueling that fire.

@Troy Sloan posted:

Like you said, "market" (VMC, BECK & used) "couldn't supply the demand."

Market couldn't supply demand BECAUSE of Covid. Demand went up because people had time. Maybe with all that time they started thinking. Maybe that there was an increasing chance that they could die younger than they thought? Maybe they had money, too.

You've got to pick one. You can't have it both ways.

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There were a few Speedster parts that were more difficult to get during covid, but that didn't bring build times to a halt. It was the increased volume of orders that couldn't be sustained.   The parts were there, but the small number of builders couldn't meet the demand and as the demand increased, the prices naturally increased, especially for nice used ones.  Actually, even for NOT so nice used ones!

It was a different story for the big car companies and lots of other industries.  They were the ones that were significantly impacted by covid.

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