Thanks for the article Theron.  Just this Sunday, a few people were chatting with me at Cars and Coffee about buying a replica.  I told them about IM and Beck (Special Edition). Which quickly prompted "is yours one of those"?  
I have gotten so confused by the similar names and moves, that I told two guys, I really don't know if the fabricator of my speedster (VS) is still around.  Your article was quite helpful in connecting the dots.

  Theron,

I really appreciate your writing that article. 

Vintage Speedsters built my car but Greg Leach at Vintage Spyders (now Vintage Motorcars) was in charge of getting the engine built correctly.  The car was delivered in August of 2016 and it's because of what Greg did for its engine that I have continued to consult and buy with him as the car is sorted out.  

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A lot has changed in the industry this year.  I recently took a trip to Southern California and visited Vintage Motorcars.

Here is the first in a series of articles about the changes taking place.
https://www.speedsterowners.co...orscars-new-facility

Let me know what you think.
-=theron

Hi Theron ,

Thank you for doing this article which is very helpful in clarifying the situation . I have a Vintage Speedster in the UK RHD purchased through McGurk Performance Cars . I am right in saying that Vintage Motorcars in California and Arizona are unconnected in terms of ownership but are using the same name and are now in direct competition with one another ?! Presumably their cars are identical which gives us access to both companies for parts etc. ? Also do I understand that you will be doing further articles on this subject ?

Many Thanks ,

Chris Manwaring

Chris---interesting observation you made about both companies using the same name.  Actually the names are not exactly the same, Kirk's business, Vintage Speedsters moved from Hawaiian Gardens to Arizona and Greg Leach whose business is named  Vintage Motorcars moved into Kirk's old building.  Even though the company in Arizona company uses "Speedsters" in it's name and the other, now in Kirk's old location uses "Motorcars" after the Vintage name,  the fact is that Vintage Motorcars, having the same address as Vintage Speedsters in Hawaiian Gardens could possible appear to be the original Vintage Speedsters.  (Ya think?)  I won't go into any implications, but they may be financially significant.

Good to see Theron's article and the clarification about this obviously confusing subject.

That’s a new development to me.

Vintage Spyders changed its name a while back to Vintage Motorcars as they began producing not just spyders but coupes and speedsters.
Vintage Speedsters now has a different Vintage Motorcar (no s logo).
I know the companies have nothing to do with each other and are completely different operations.
Maybe we can get some clarification from both parties.  @VSpyder @Justin@Vintage
-=theron
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Hi Jack ,

Many thanks - the reason I said that they were using the same names is that if you go onto Vintage Speedsters new website home page there logo states Vintage Motorcars but maybe this is being used “ Unofficially “ as a brand and not a trading name ?

Chris M

The Vintage Speedster site --on the first page has a picture of a car and a large badge that says "Vintage Motorcar"  (no "s") .  So the business in Hawaiian Gardens is appearing like Kirk's old Vintage Speedster company with the name and address while the business in Arizona is using a badge on it's website that says "Vintage Motor" which is almost identical to and appears like the business in Hawaiian Gardens.  Who could even make this up??

 

  

Hello All...

Just to clarify a few things....The company in Arizona is not affiliated to us in anyway!

I received a letter from Porsche attorney back in 2012 ,one of the things I had to do was not use the "Spyder" so to make them happy I changed my Company name from "Vintage Spyders" to "Vintage Motorcars" then two years later after I made the name change I received another letter saying it was ok to use  "Spyder"  by this time I already started building the coupe. I moved into "Vintage Speedsters" old building Feb of this year so to make it less confusing We are now officially "Vintage Motorcars of California INC"  I am not sure when Justin Started "Vintage Motorcar LTD" or why he is not using "Vintage Speedsters"

 

 

Greg 

Jeeez! To further confuse you, vintagespyders.com is Greg's website

vintagespeedsters.com is the Arizona one....

I am not disparaging the new Vintage Speedster owner, as I have not seen any of his work. I have seen both the old VS cars by Kirk and the new cars put out by Greg at VM in Hawaiian Gardens. Plus I've purchased two frame/body/paint 550 chassis from him, the first a roller and the second NOT a roller. Fit and finish, paint, and general attention to detail is excellent compared to the old VS cars.

Hello all!

I have had the name Vintage Motorcar here in Arizona for many years now as I have operated a classic car business prior to taking on Vintage Speedsters.

When we went down the Speedster path I thought continuing with the name Vintage Motorcar would be great as we are going to offer more lines of cars than just a speedster. So the company will be Vintage Motorcar and a Vintage Speedster will be one of our products, and we will keep the same nomenclature as we add new models to our line up. Such as the Vintage scooter... Vintage submarine.... (these are jokes we are not doing a scooter or a submarine just trying to give examples)

I always knew gregs company as Vintage Spyders and not as Vintage Motorcars so I never thought there would be a confusion.  

We do own the Vintage Motorcar LTD name as well as Vintage Speedsters. 

We are just looking to morph the Speedsters name more into a model line that way we are not pigeon holed into a single model of car. 

 

I hope that adds some clarity!


Have a great weekend!

Hello Again....

We have owned the name "Vintage Motorcars" since mid 2012 and now also own "VIntage motorcars of California INC " since Feb 1st of this year (2018) . When I changed my name (in 2012) I had no knowledge of Justin (Vintage Motor Car LTD) I know is this very confusing thus the reason for adding "California" to our name..... and yes we are in the old Vintage Speedsters building with all of the old employees they are adapting very well to my quality of craftsmanship to each car we build.

 

 

Greg Leach

Vintage Motorcars Of California INC 

Hi Greg ,
Thank you for clarifying the situation for me and the other interested owners . I have a couple of questions if I may :
Are most of your parts interchangeable with the Vintage Speedster product ? The door handles are very flimsy on the VS and can come away in your hand if you use them to close the doors so I now have door pulls ! It seems that the spindle is not of great quality - do you have a better product that can be used . Also the door close mechanism is loose one door and therefore rattles a bit - are your interchangeable with the VS ?
Your Pre A Coupe looks great - do you make a right hand drive ?
Many Thanks ,
Chris ( UK )

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Hi Greg ,
Thank you for clarifying the situation for me and the other interested owners . I have a couple of questions if I may :
Are most of your parts interchangeable with the Vintage Speedster product ? The door handles are very flimsy on the VS and can come away in your hand if you use them to close the doors so I now have door pulls ! It seems that the spindle is not of great quality - do you have a better product that can be used . Also the door close mechanism is loose one door and therefore rattles a bit - are your interchangeable with the VS ?
Your Pre A Coupe looks great - do you make a right hand drive ?
Many Thanks ,
Chris ( UK )

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Interesting.  I've had 45 Speedsters and almost all of them were Vintage Speedsters and I have never had an issue with the door handles.

@Chris Manwaring

Hi ,
Thank you for your input . It is the interior door lever/handle that I am talking about and glad to hear that you have not had a problem - I must have been unlucky with them pulling off in my hand !!
Amazing that you have had 45 Vintage Speedsters - I thought that I was greedy with 3 - currently a VS and an Outlaw based on a Martin and Walker car .
Chris

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I don't believe much in coincidences, but I guess this is one to ponder: While it might be uncommon (i.e., interior door lever/handle coming off), nevertheless, this happened not more than 2 weeks ago with my 10 yr. old VS speedie. After going through the "2-P's" (at first panic and then pissed), I found an easy fix: Wrap the male grooved spindle with one layer of scotch tape and then press the handle back onto the spindle. The tape provides just enough grip to keep the handle affixed...as long as you're not too "aggressive" when opening the door. Mine, though, is on the passenger side door, and doesn't get much action. Of course, when you're my age, that's relatively common. 

  

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