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Here are some pics of my CMC with Polished Vintage 190s  and drum skins.  These are 4.5" wheels with a 4" back spacing. I put 165-65-15 Falkan G4 tires on them. I tried putting 185-65-15s on them but Americas Tires would not mount them (bastards!!!). They look great and I am very happy with Gregs efforts.

"Dutch"

'56 356A Carrera Speedster Replica

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  • Left side view of CMC with Vintage 190s and drum skins
  • Right front wheel closeup of Vintage 190 and drum skin
  • Right front wheel with Vintage 190 and drun skin
  • Left front wheel closeup oof Vintage 190 and drum skin
  • Right rear wheel Closeup of Vintage 190
  • Left rear wheel with Vintage190 and drum skin
  • Left front Vintage 190 and drum skin
  • CMC front view w Vintage 190s #2
  • CMC Left Front View with Vintage 190s
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Heritage 2008 posted:

Dutch--nice look. 3 questions for ya

Is there a black cap available that will cover the rear axle nut?

How i s the stopping with 4 drums?

Total cost wo labor to create this look?

Thanks---David

 

David, I have not driven the car yet, it is still at Gregs to have the right rear IRS swing arm replaced. It is bent and the right rear tire sits at an angle and wears uneven so that needs to get corrected. The black cap for the rear would be a question for Greg at Vintage motorcars. You can reach him at 714-894-1550 or info@vintagespyders.com

Cost without labor: Roughly $1555 for the 4 wheels, 5 lug front Disc Brakes, rear 5 lug drums 5x205, lug and stud kit for  4 wheels, 4 drum skins.

Hope this helps!

 

 

 

 

Art posted:

Dutch;

With the more original narrower wheels,  how is the rear wheel well clearance on your CMC?  

What reason did America give you for refusing to mount the  185/65/15's?

The car looks a great!

Art

 

Thanks art , I am very happy with that look as well. I almost went with powder coat silver but decided to go with the polished wheels. Rear wheel clearance is fine, no issues. Americas Tire said they would not honor the warranty because they felt the tire was too wide for the wheel, Greg and I both called "BS" on that one...Thanks for your feedback!

Dutch posted:

Here are some pics of my CMC with Polished Vintage 190s  and drum skins.  These are 4.5" wheels with a 4" back spacing. I put 165-65-15 Falkan G4 tires on them. I tried putting 185-65-15s on them but Americas Tires would not mount them (bastards!!!). They look great and I am very happy with Gregs efforts.

Quick Correction - Tire size is actually 175-65.15

185s are a lot of tire for a narrow rim. You can do it - I used to have 4-1/2" rims with 185 tires - but performance suffers. We run low air pressure and there is a lot of sidewall movement through corners with that combination. However, it's a cushy Cadillac ride if you're more inclined to snail by and look at the scenery...

I also had the 185/4-1/2" combination that JPS touts as a solution for an IRS rear-end on a classic (non-flared) body. I agree with Terry's analysis. 

The idea that putting down more rubber cures all ills is a fallacy. My 2002 JPS had not enough room for a credit card to be slid between the LR sidewall and inner fender. Couple a flexible sidewall with clearances that tight, and it's just a bad idea.

Terry corrected the problem by switching wheels to something with more width and back-spacing than the steel wheels. Just putting a smaller tire on it to start with is the right way to handle the issue of what to do with 4-1/2" rims.

As Terry and Stan mentioned, a 185 is a lot of tire for a 4 1/2" rim, and yeah, while it can be done (with resulting performance and safety issues, especially since we run fairly low pressures), the minimum suggested rim width for a 185/65 or 185/60 is 5". The narrow rim is not within the design parameters of the tire, and not many tire guys are going to mount a tire on a rim that's below the minimum rim width recommendation for a customer. There's just too much at stake if something happens. Otoh, minimum rim width for a 185/70 is 4 1/2".

There is, however enough room on the inside for a wider rim, and widening the rims 1" (as well as using a wider tire on the back) will make a positive difference in the car's handling. I thought those wide 5 aluminum rims in the 5 1/2" width came with the correct offset/backspacing for our cars?

Edit- I guess not. I just checked the website and the backspacing is the same for the 4 1/2's and 5 1/2's (the extra width was added to the frontside of the wheel). I don't get it- why wouldn't the width be added to the inside? 

 

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ALB posted:

... I just checked the website and the backspacing is the same for the 4 1/2's and 5 1/2's (the extra width was added to the frontside of the wheel). I don't get it- why wouldn't the width be added to the inside? 

They matched Mangle backspacing. Lots of guys want the deeper rim reveal. It'd be rough to offer custom backspacing at this pricepoint. Honestly, I don't know how they can do it with what they offer now. 

Terry Nuckels posted:

185s are a lot of tire for a narrow rim. You can do it - I used to have 4-1/2" rims with 185 tires - but performance suffers. We run low air pressure and there is a lot of sidewall movement through corners with that combination. However, it's a cushy Cadillac ride if you're more inclined to snail by and look at the scenery...

That makes a lot of sense Terry, Ill have to check when airing down. Thanks for the heads up on that.

MusbJim posted:

For visual reference, I have the fake Fuchs (5x130) at 15 x 5.5 with 3 .75" backspace. For the outlaw look I wanted wider lower profile tires, so I use 185x60 tires. 18psi in front, 22psi in rear. Click pic to enlarge. 

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That's a great look which is why I wanted 185's on my wheels too, but apparently not  a good thing to do on 4.5" wheels.

Stan Galat, '05 IM, 2276, Nowhere, USA posted:

I also had the 185/4-1/2" combination that JPS touts as a solution for an IRS rear-end on a classic (non-flared) body. I agree with Terry's analysis. 

The idea that putting down more rubber cures all ills is a fallacy. My 2002 JPS had not enough room for a credit card to be slid between the LR sidewall and inner fender. Couple a flexible sidewall with clearances that tight, and it's just a bad idea.

Terry corrected the problem by switching wheels to something with more width and back-spacing than the steel wheels. Just putting a smaller tire on it to start with is the right way to handle the issue of what to do with 4-1/2" rims.

Sound advise and I appreciate your feedback Stan. 

Dutch posted:
ALB posted:

@Dutch said- "That's a great look which is why I wanted 185's on my wheels too, but apparently not  a good thing to do on 4.5" wheels."

You live in California, correct? There will be a shop (probably fairly close) that can widen your rear wheels; 1" to the inside will clear the shock mount and spring plate.

That may be worth looking into, thanks.

It's not cheap to do, but if it allows you to run a wider tire on the back (and the car will handle better) it's worth it. I just had a pair of  6" Fuchs widened 1" (to the inside) and am pretty confident 205/60's will now fit under the rear fenders (and thinking 215/60 may even squeeze under there).

ALB posted:
Dutch posted:
ALB posted:

@Dutch said- "That's a great look which is why I wanted 185's on my wheels too, but apparently not  a good thing to do on 4.5" wheels."

You live in California, correct? There will be a shop (probably fairly close) that can widen your rear wheels; 1" to the inside will clear the shock mount and spring plate.

That may be worth looking into, thanks.

It's not cheap to do, but if it allows you to run a wider tire on the back (and the car will handle better) it's worth it. I just had a pair of  6" Fuchs widened 1" (to the inside) and am pretty confident 205/60's will now fit under the rear fenders (and thinking 215/60 may even squeeze under there).

I may look into doing that down the road a piece. 205/60's would look sharp on the rear wheels!

So in speaking with Greg, a new development has come up regarding my gimpy right rear wheel camber...Initially he thought it was a bent (IRS) swing arm, but after putting a new one on there was no change. Now it looks to be a bent frame so he is doing some rework on that. He's really putting some time into getting that wheel at the right camber. It was wearing the left inside tread off the tire at a horrendous rate.

Dutch posted:

So in speaking with Greg, a new development has come up regarding my gimpy right rear wheel camber...Initially he thought it was a bent (IRS) swing arm, but after putting a new one on there was no change. Now it looks to be a bent frame so he is doing some rework on that. He's really putting some time into getting that wheel at the right camber. It was wearing the left inside tread off the tire at a horrendous rate.

Did you pick up your Speedster yet? I'm going to try stopping by this afternoon and pick up Eleanor... hopefully they get everything to done for me...

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