Polished Vintage 190s and Drum Skins

Looks great!

I agree with Stan, Dutch; it looks great! Have I asked you already why you didn't go for the 5 1/2's?

Dutch--nice look. 3 questions for ya

Is there a black cap available that will cover the rear axle nut?

How i s the stopping with 4 drums?

Total cost wo labor to create this look?

Thanks---David

Spectacular. Those wheels are all that plus an extra shot of espresso. 

Stan Galat, '05 IM, 2276, Nowhere, USA posted:

Looks great!

Thanks Stan!

ALB posted:

I agree with Stan, Dutch; it looks great! Have I asked you already why you didn't go for the 5 1/2's?

Greg thought they would be too tight of a fit for my CMC. He did replace front rotors and rear brake drums to get the 4.5" wheels to fit.

Dutch;

With the more original narrower wheels,  how is the rear wheel well clearance on your CMC?  

What reason did America give you for refusing to mount the  185/65/15's?

The car looks a great!

Art

Heritage 2008 posted:

Dutch--nice look. 3 questions for ya

Is there a black cap available that will cover the rear axle nut?

How i s the stopping with 4 drums?

Total cost wo labor to create this look?

Thanks---David

 

David, I have not driven the car yet, it is still at Gregs to have the right rear IRS swing arm replaced. It is bent and the right rear tire sits at an angle and wears uneven so that needs to get corrected. The black cap for the rear would be a question for Greg at Vintage motorcars. You can reach him at 714-894-1550 or info@vintagespyders.com

Cost without labor: Roughly $1555 for the 4 wheels, 5 lug front Disc Brakes, rear 5 lug drums 5x205, lug and stud kit for  4 wheels, 4 drum skins.

Hope this helps!

Art posted:

Dutch;

With the more original narrower wheels,  how is the rear wheel well clearance on your CMC?  

What reason did America give you for refusing to mount the  185/65/15's?

The car looks a great!

Art

 

Thanks art , I am very happy with that look as well. I almost went with powder coat silver but decided to go with the polished wheels. Rear wheel clearance is fine, no issues. Americas Tire said they would not honor the warranty because they felt the tire was too wide for the wheel, Greg and I both called "BS" on that one...Thanks for your feedback!

edsnova posted:

Spectacular. Those wheels are all that plus an extra shot of espresso. 

Roger that!!!

Dutch posted:

Here are some pics of my CMC with Polished Vintage 190s  and drum skins.  These are 4.5" wheels with a 4" back spacing. I put 165-65-15 Falkan G4 tires on them. I tried putting 185-65-15s on them but Americas Tires would not mount them (bastards!!!). They look great and I am very happy with Gregs efforts.

Quick Correction - Tire size is actually 175-65.15

185s are a lot of tire for a narrow rim. You can do it - I used to have 4-1/2" rims with 185 tires - but performance suffers. We run low air pressure and there is a lot of sidewall movement through corners with that combination. However, it's a cushy Cadillac ride if you're more inclined to snail by and look at the scenery...

I also had the 185/4-1/2" combination that JPS touts as a solution for an IRS rear-end on a classic (non-flared) body. I agree with Terry's analysis. 

The idea that putting down more rubber cures all ills is a fallacy. My 2002 JPS had not enough room for a credit card to be slid between the LR sidewall and inner fender. Couple a flexible sidewall with clearances that tight, and it's just a bad idea.

Terry corrected the problem by switching wheels to something with more width and back-spacing than the steel wheels. Just putting a smaller tire on it to start with is the right way to handle the issue of what to do with 4-1/2" rims.

Dutch - your car looks eve MORE awesome with those wide-5 aluminum wheels! 

MusbJim posted:

Dutch - your car looks eve MORE awesome with those wide-5 aluminum wheels! 

I am stoked, Greg did a great job! He's cleaning up some other issues as well.

Dutch, that is a great look, 190's are the coolest of the cool wheels!

Some day, not sayin' when, but someday, I'll be able to drive my car with it's VS 190's when the engines back together.

As Terry and Stan mentioned, a 185 is a lot of tire for a 4 1/2" rim, and yeah, while it can be done (with resulting performance and safety issues, especially since we run fairly low pressures), the minimum suggested rim width for a 185/65 or 185/60 is 5". The narrow rim is not within the design parameters of the tire, and not many tire guys are going to mount a tire on a rim that's below the minimum rim width recommendation for a customer. There's just too much at stake if something happens. Otoh, minimum rim width for a 185/70 is 4 1/2".

There is, however enough room on the inside for a wider rim, and widening the rims 1" (as well as using a wider tire on the back) will make a positive difference in the car's handling. I thought those wide 5 aluminum rims in the 5 1/2" width came with the correct offset/backspacing for our cars?

Edit- I guess not. I just checked the website and the backspacing is the same for the 4 1/2's and 5 1/2's (the extra width was added to the frontside of the wheel). I don't get it- why wouldn't the width be added to the inside? 

He's got IRS, Al. 

Yeah, I'm just gettin' it now, Stan...