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What's funny is how many people have owned originals in the past, coupe or Speedster, and purchase a replica the second time around? LOTS OF 'EM!

Why? Because they want the aircooled/vintage experience without the headache/heartache/wallet-ache of an original. In short, they want something they can use without any negative feelings of any kind.

WTTM

I just got finished watching a Restoration Design video where they are scanning a speedster to produce replacement panels. There was nothing left of this car when they got started and I thought to myself, can you still call this a real Porsche when 90% of the car is now replacement( replica) aftermarket panels? It still looks like a Porsche but it's really a representation of what the car looked like at one time.

jesse postill posted:

I just got finished watching a Restoration Design video where they are scanning a speedster to produce replacement panels. There was nothing left of this car when they got started and I thought to myself, can you still call this a real Porsche when 90% of the car is now replacement( replica) aftermarket panels? It still looks like a Porsche but it's really a representation of what the car looked like at one time.

 

jesse postill posted:

I just got finished watching a Restoration Design video where they are scanning a speedster to produce replacement panels. There was nothing left of this car when they got started and I thought to myself, can you still call this a real Porsche when 90% of the car is now replacement( replica) aftermarket panels? It still looks like a Porsche but it's really a representation of what the car looked like at one time.

Bingo.

Stan Galat posted:
jesse postill posted:

I just got finished watching a Restoration Design video where they are scanning a speedster to produce replacement panels. There was nothing left of this car when they got started and I thought to myself, can you still call this a real Porsche when 90% of the car is now replacement( replica) aftermarket panels? It still looks like a Porsche but it's really a representation of what the car looked like at one time.

Bingo.

While I certainly agree with your point, and I think the whole "original vs rebuilt/restored/saved" (or whatever you want to call it) debate hasn't been explored fully, isn't it great that there's someone with the money (and someone with the skills) to put that car back together so it's not lost to history?

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DannyP posted:

What's funny is how many people have owned originals in the past, coupe or Speedster, and purchase a replica the second time around? LOTS OF 'EM!

Why? Because they want the aircooled/vintage experience without the headache/heartache/wallet-ache of an original. In short, they want something they can use without any negative feelings of any kind.

WTTM

I agree, because we owned a 1960 356B Coupe back in the ‘70s which we loved, but we needed cash so tried to sell it for $1600 which is what we paid for it but there were no takers even with a brand new paint job on it! We ended up trading it straight across for a 1964 VW Camper. But we always knew eventually we would get another 356 but in 2016 the prices were ridiculous so we bought the replica CMC Speedster we have now.         (which by the way, rides much better than our 1960 real Porsche)

Gee, I owned a 59 356A coupe in the 70's and I loved the car but I subsequently owned two IM's one full AC and now the second is a full subie and 911 front end. 

I mean if all you have from the original car is essentially this Vin, it is a replica, recreation, rebuild.  Then you have the esoteric nuances of a not so stratght car as well as you would with any hand built car depending on the skills of the builder. 

So you have to ask yourself again, what do you really want?  Is it an original then you keep dreaming of bigger AC engines etc or a Replica recreation with modern tech, engine etc like the subie. 

To each his own opinion, in the end.  

As far as the "this is not a real P" comment....and. 

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I find the sentence in the article about the author hoping replica owners will "step up and buy and love our cars as we pass them on" to be pretty patronizing. That is an example of the unfortunate arrogance and sense of superiority of some P-car owners, although it is true of some owners of other luxury products as well. 

I've owned and appreciated two "real Porsches" in the past. I chose to acquire a replica Speedster based in part on my experience with those two cars. I know many replica owners to have done the same and some still own "real Porsches" as well. We are not a group of peasants scrambling to reach that magic moment when we can acquire some Holy Grail of automotive excellence. After all, Porsches aren't perfect. (Think IMS bearings for instance).

I don't feel any need to "step up", nor do I believe that I stepped down in acquiring a replica. It made, and continues to make sense for me. If I wanted a "real Porsche" I could and would go get one.

Thanks, but I don't need or relish acquiring your cast-offs.

 

Panhandle Bob posted:

I find the sentence in the article about the author hoping replica owners will "step up and buy and love our cars as we pass them on" to be pretty patronizing. That is an example of the unfortunate arrogance and sense of superiority of some P-car owners, although it is true of some owners of other luxury products as well. 

I've owned and appreciated two "real Porsches" in the past. I chose to acquire a replica Speedster based in part on my experience with those two cars. I know many replica owners to have done the same and some still own "real Porsches" as well. We are not a group of peasants scrambling to reach that magic moment when we can acquire some Holy Grail of automotive excellence. After all, Porsches aren't perfect. (Think IMS bearings for instance).

I don't feel any need to "step up", nor do I believe that I stepped down in acquiring a replica. It made, and continues to make sense for me. If I wanted a "real Porsche" I could and would go get one.

Thanks, but I don't need or relish acquiring your cast-offs.

 

I couldn't agree with you more, Bob! Why would I "step up" and buy something that is too valuable to drive? I still think that a lot of vintage Porsche owners don't get that cars are meant to be driven to be fully appreciated, and admiring a car in a garage or on a show field while never getting to feel the road underneath is truly sacrilegious.

I have had the real experience many times, mostly with 911s and one 912E. My first real experience was with a 63 356B imported used from Germany purchased in 1973.  Lots of mechanical issues including a blown engine. The real end came when I was jacking it up on a busy road and keeping an eye on the traffic. The jack came up through the side of the car from the severe rust. This was a "restored" car sold by an authorized Porsche Dealer. With a little legal fuss, they took the car back a full price and I bought a BMW Bavaria. Now that is another story unto itself. I love my fake. 

"We are not a group of peasants scrambling to reach that magic moment when we can acquire some Holy Grail of automotive excellence. After all, Porsches aren't perfect. (Think IMS bearings for instance)."

That was funny. 

Bob, your right on that one.  I passed on a used 356 in early 2000, and as for the newer 911's  I simply am not ennamored with their newer technology.  Maybe I am stuck in the past but auto pilot is not for me ... I am the Pilot of the Auto  

Don't get me wrong the new cars are nice, as are lambo's but after it passes by I don't crane my neck to see it or absolutely have to have one.

As to my DD whatever works for your value/need equation is find with me but I find the manufacturers sometimes are out of touch with what I want.

 Well, maybe it is all the government intervention.   

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