I saw a red one at Carlisle event - and the engine compartment appears much larger than in a Speedster.  I'm guess it is just a longer tail (which would shorly need added steel to support aka CMC butt sag).  I tried to find a build manual to see if the pan was shortened like the Speedster but could not find one.  The top appears same size so suspect pan is shortened. I recall reading years ago that the kit sold for $15k --- where the CMC Speedster was around $8k --- must be the extra engine grill! Reportedly only about 200 were made.  One had a 6 cyl Porsche engine (sold to new owner in Japan) and there was a rotary wankel in one in TX.

  • Hummm. After owning my white 359 for several years i haven't had any cracks or other problems. But its identification lable say  fiberfab. And has the Ca. Spcn smog label too.   And better too as it has porsche guages, no hood pins, better mirrors.  It seems to attract a lot more attention than the porch 356 because nobody knows what they are but that's just my opinion I Luv It. all though I don't use it much.20150310_103750

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Lol first time on a ferry. Coming home from Woodburn show. Scared as hell of the ramp as had just installed coil shocks to raise the front end so it wouldn't scrap driveways.  It really handled great after that.  Was purchased from the Subaru dealer in Sonora, Ca.

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@Theron Theron is it possible to scan in his 359 build manual and post it here on SOC.  I've never seen one posted anywhere.  It would be good to preserve the manual for others.

Any idea of how many made by FF/CMC? I found one reference that said just over 200 and cost was $15k each kit.  Found another that said #206 was for sale in Calgary years ago. The interior looks same as Speedster - same top assembly.  The length seems to be past the engine bay.

Thanks for the support!  As far as i can tell, except outer body everything is identical to 356.  I have a new top and drop in side curtain from vintage speedsters, in burgandy.   Floor speedster floor mats worked great too. The engine bay is much longer, about a foot atleast.  Compartment ends right at the end of the exaust tips. So easy for the subaru or 911 engines. It is 4 inch square tube chassis mounted to vw pan so quite strong and heat flows through that. Plenty of room behind the grill fo a good size bolt in radiator or airconditioning to be put in. The 356 speedster car covers work really well and tight.  I did take out the single port 1300 and installed a new 2180 i had laying around for the sterlings to get 3x the HP.

Either hump type looks great for me.  I would like to buy one, rent one to mold  @fibermanufactering,  (local company who has done great work since fiberfab sold last year) or buy the mold itself. Cash or trade for tons of vw and speester stuff i have. The list is endless....  Oh will definately pay a finders fee...

Thanks for the support!  As far as i can tell, except outer body everything is identical to 356.  I have a new top and drop in side curtain from vintage speedsters, in burgandy.   Floor speedster floor mats worked great too. The engine bay is much longer, about a foot atleast.  Compartment ends right at the end of the exaust tips. So easy for the subaru or 911 engines. It is 4 inch square tube chassis mounted to vw pan so quite strong and heat flows through that. Plenty of room behind the grill fo a good size bolt in radiator or airconditioning to be put in. The 356 speedster car covers work really well and tight.  I did take out the single port 1300 and installed a new 2180 i had laying around for the sterlings to get 3x the HP.

Interesting Blog by guy that worked for CMC in the era. He says the 359 uses thicker fiberglass than 356 shells.  Hence, heaviest shell CMC produced.  Engine bay was made to fit larger, more powerful engine to compensate.

https://classickitcars.wordpress.com/about/

https://classickitcars.wordpress.com/

Check this CMC mod - bonding 356 body parts to a 911 to create a 959.

959cmc2

And a 959 Targa conversion.

959CMC

And of my fiberfab I cannot thank you enough for posting the info about it! It answers questions I have of it.  I did not think CMC and fiberfab were ever partners. If you did do build work on it, I thank you for my saving midlife crisis car.

I say this because if you look at my face page I am severely handycapped and had half my skull removed all summer due to a MC  accident  in 2012. The red mg td  fiberfab is 2 months after that.  You may not notice but also have a bar down the left leg. All it takes is a positive Attitude!  I sold it and a sterling to buy the Porsche 359.

So thank you for posting the links. It was and is great support..

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hello, new to this forum. I must say I was surprised to see my Black 959 Speedster here on these pages. Yes, it's the one up top from Thunder Bay, ON. I was lucky to buy out the owner and purchase the other 50 percent of the car so it's all mine now. He purchased the car from Peter's Porsche Shop in New York. Peter the owner built the car which he imported from Florida as a partially built project car. The car is special since it was originally outfitted with a Porsche 3.6 litre engine and the G50, 5 speed transmission. It was built on a custom tubular chassis with roll cage for Autocross and Club racing. It uses unequal length front wishbone suspension similar to the real 959. It also utilizes Carrera Coil over shocks in the front with rack and pinion steering and Carrera gas pressurized coil over shocks in the rear. Braking is four wheel disc all around from the Porsche 914. The 359 body kit was an interesting one offered in the late years of CMC's existence with only some 200 or so made. It was twice the price of the other Speedster kits. They tried to combine newer style and offer some newer technical possibilities by increasing the wheelbase of the 356 to that of the actual 959. The wheelbase is 89.5 inches same as the 959 as mentioned which is also the same as the 930 Turbo. They also offered a much wider track similar to the wide body 911 and 959 which was a real departure from the original 356. CMC used the Styling of the 959 Speedster like that used by Becker. Becker was a German tuner who produced a real Porsche 959 Speedster when a Porsche race driver happened to roll an original 959 on the Autobon. They cut the crushed roof off that car and modified it to be a Speedster. Others modified Porsche 911's to Speedsters using Porsche parts from the 3.2 Speedster car and available aftermarket 959 body kits. CMC figured that they had the right Speedster Center section after all the new 3.2 911 Speedster was styled after the old 356 Speedster so why not extend the wheelbase and track to 959 dimensions and make their own kit car with 959 style front and rear. The advantages were great for performance since the increased dimensions allowed for the use of larger more powerful engines including the 3.6 litre Porsche six offering better handling and stability. The fiberglass work was of very high quality and most cars like mine were built with a perimeter frame to support the long tail so cracking is not a problem if one followed the builders recommendations. I think that CMC went out of business and many were sold as partially built kits so some took shortcuts building them which is too bad. The previous owner bought my car for its 3.6 Porsche engine and transmission to put it in another Porsche 911 Carrera. I am not such a rich man so I did the work myself to install a 914 Porsche 2.0 litre engine that I bored and stroked to 2.2 litres with twin 40 Weber IDF carbs. I also installed a VW 4 speed transmission. So can't wait for summer. I will post some more pics when I figure out how that works!

 

 

 

unofun posted:

Thanks for the support!  As far as i can tell, except outer body everything is identical to 356.  I have a new top and drop in side curtain from vintage speedsters, in burgandy.   Floor speedster floor mats worked great too. The engine bay is much longer, about a foot atleast.  Compartment ends right at the end of the exaust tips. So easy for the subaru or 911 engines. It is 4 inch square tube chassis mounted to vw pan so quite strong and heat flows through that. Plenty of room behind the grill fo a good size bolt in radiator or airconditioning to be put in. The 356 speedster car covers work really well and tight.  I did take out the single port 1300 and installed a new 2180 i had laying around for the sterlings to get 3x the HP.

Except that the 359 track and wheelbase are like that of the real 959. The wheelbase is 89.5 inches long which is exactly the same as the original 959.

WOLFGANG posted:

$18k - its been on SAMBA for a while now - there is another thread here on it. They are very rare - probably only one in Canada!  I think I'm only one on SOC that likes them. The front is especially nice with the flat head lights.  CMC called it a 359.

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/cl...etail.php?id=2149350

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Hey, that's my car! I bought out the owner and it's all mine now! I had a share in it for doing the work on this car to rebuild it. Surprised to see it here! Happy Join! So I'm a new member here! Lol

Clark,

Welcome to the site.  New members are almost always accepted as they are, warts, feathers, and all.  However, when a new member starts with accusations of rip off, animosities may result.

You seem to be saying that websites, such as SOC, rip off pictures and comment on them.  You may be confused about ownership of pictures and content on internet sites.  The pictures in question are marked as being on the Samba site.  Perhaps you have an ownership interest in Samba.  If not, then you don't own Samba pictures, even in you own the car shown in the picture.  Fair Use doctrine would not likely prohibit one car site from posting pics from another site, but that's a decision that involves those two parties, SOC and Samba, not you.

No one on here wants to bust your juevos rancheros, so maybe you want a mulligan, eh?  It's really not all that hard to get along on this site.

Jim Kelly posted:

Clark,

Welcome to the site.  New members are almost always accepted as they are, warts, feathers, and all.  However, when a new member starts with accusations of rip off, animosities may result.

You seem to be saying that websites, such as SOC, rip off pictures and comment on them.  You may be confused about ownership of pictures and content on internet sites.  The pictures in question are marked as being on the Samba site.  Perhaps you have an ownership interest in Samba.  If not, then you don't own Samba pictures, even in you own the car shown in the picture.  Fair Use doctrine would not likely prohibit one car site from posting pics from another site, but that's a decision that involves those two parties, SOC and Samba, not you.

No one on here wants to bust your juevos rancheros, so maybe you want a mulligan, eh?  It's really not all that hard to get along on this site.

Jim, So sorry to start out on the wrong foot on my first day! I was surprised to see my car there being commented on and some being negative. I apologize for saying that. I sure would like a mulligan and to start again fresh!

<div>Thank you for the updates on the forum.  I Do not often comment but my pictures are only from my cameras unless noted. I may have been wrong on the wheel base as i have never checked. Sorry about that. It does have the california smog exempt sticker on it. </div><div>Thank you for your support!</div><div><br></div>Sent from my Verizon ASUS tablet

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<div>Thank you for the updates on the forum.  I Do not often comment but my pictures are only from my cameras unless noted. I may have been wrong on the wheel base as i have never checked. Sorry about that. It does have the california smog exempt sticker on it. </div><div>Thank you for your support!</div><div><br></div>Sent from my Verizon ASUS tablet

Looks very nice in white! Terrific shape! What kind of engine do you have in it?

I'm sure you won't believe this....With 9 vw engines, a Buick v6, a 2l 914 engine, and 2 kaynor electric motors for the vw all sitting on the garage floor it has been a really hard choice.. it had a 1300 or 1500 SP motor in it that was weak so I decided to put this 2332cc type one into it. I also added a new bluetooth stereo, and replaced the red cracked fiberglass seats with these black ones.Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

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unofun posted:
I'm sure you won't believe this....With 9 vw engines, a Buick v6, a 2l 914 engine, and 2 kaynor electric motors for the vw all sitting on the garage floor it has been a really hard choice.. it had a 1300 or 1500 SP motor in it that was weak so I decided to put this 2332cc type one into it. I also added a new bluetooth stereo, and replaced the red cracked fiberglass seats with these black ones.Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

I like the idea of the single Weber in the center but many will poo poo the idea. What have you done to the inside of the engine ? Thanks.

Mt Type IV is stronger and smoother than the day I picked it up at Jake Raby's 35,000 miles ago.  For me the ultimate test is the 13 trips home from Carlisle using I-40 and  that 8 mile super steep section of I-40 East of Asheville where with my original 1915 Type I had to use second gear and sometimes even third to ascend that stretch.  Big trucks can go only 30-35 mph there.    Now on that road I do 75 in 4th gear with ease and a big reserve in power.   Never had to stop mid-trip for anything but gas, and never a backfire or failure of any sort to date.

Interesting side note---that stretch of I-40 going East (down the mountain),  it is so steep that at every 1/2 mile or so there is a runaway truck emergency exit with a deep sand surface and these exits are positioned so that  they turn up a hill for trucks with brake failure to use to stop quickly.  That part of I-40  is steeper than anything I have ever seen in the country anywhere.  For some reason the highway engineers went straight up the mountain side rather than going around it like they do even in the Rockies.  Did I say it was steep??

Anyone know that stretch I'm talking about?   Imagine how this type IV  pulls on a flat road.  I love the idea of Suby power but I'm very satisfied with this engine. I don't have ac but there is an Espar heater making it a true year-round driver here in Dogpatch.

Wolfgang---best of success with whatever way you choose to go for power.

WOLFGANG posted:

I like the idea of using the T4 2L engine.  A few mods and 120-140 dependable HP. There is so much room in the 359 that a T4 with the flat pancake cooling tin would easily fit and actually be easier to service.

Yes Sir, that’s what I am running now a Porsche 914 two litre T4 with 96mm x 76mm bore and stroke makes 2.2 litres with stock cooling   It has lots of room for the stock fan and room enough for a nice dual exhaust that is far away from the fan which is something I always hated in my Porsche 912 with T4. Their it was so close that the fan sucked in the hot air around the muffler!

Tuscaloosa, yeah damned cool. In the late 1700s four ancestor  brothers established the town of Fosters , Alabama which is very close to Tuscaloosa.  They were awarded land, like 60 miles  (miles!)  down along the Black Warrior River, as reward for  their father's service in the Revolutionary war.  They  shipped cotton directly to England from their landing on that river.  (Google "Fosters Landing", Tuscaloosa, AL.)  

Not very PC but I have a sheet showing slaveholders in Tuscaloosa County showing the 15-20 ancestors who owned 75-80 "workers".  Two of the plantation homes are still there and recently one changed hands and is still occupied.  Having an interesting time with family genealogy.  One of the most startling finds is a pay stub to that Revolutionary War ancestor (Captain John Foster) showing his pay that month when his unit was at Valley forge with G. Washington. I got that in a genealogy research place in New Orleans a few years ago.  I got my sister into DAR with this research and myself and son, Russ in the Sons of the American Revolution  (SAR).

Yeah--Tuscaloosa is very cool.

Iam -Ray---why did you bring Tuscaloosa up?

 

Thought that this was interesting:

Ok,, just have to clear up some of the misconceptions about the 359. I have collected a lot of information on them, over the past 4 years,, and even discussed them with a former CMC employee, so I am reasonably sure of my statements.

The 359 was layed up in its own molds,, and is not a 356 with extra pieces grafted on. Mine certainly is made with single layups. The body shape is very different from a 356's,, and the wheel base is 89.5 inches. Mine weighs in at 1760lbs (with a 1/4 tank of gas). I do note however, that the literature I have says it can weigh up to 1875lbs, depending on engine choice. The only panels that it shares with the 356 are the doors and windshield assembly.

My car has had 3 years of pretty spirited driving,, and it is not showing any serious cracks. Previous owners drove it for 3 more years prior,, but I think they were relatively gentle with it. I have certainly seen lots of cmc 356's with a lot more cracking. So I guess I am lucky.

The kits came with a filler panel where the oem Porsche center reflector could be mounted. Some owners will throw the 911sc reflector cause it looks so much better. But you have to look long and hard to find one at a reasonable price (yes,, I did). I believe Porsche could care less about 356 replicas or any of the other older designs that might bear its likeness. They are not like Ferrari or Lambo' in this respect, and are not likely to sue anyone. 359 kits were produced by CMC mostly,, and a few by ThunderRanch. I don't think any kits were manufactured overseas,, but kits shipped everywhere,, and could certainly have found their way back.

Just want to add,, that this site is the best. And my trip to Carlisle a few back was a gas. I still have my Speedsters Mug, and put it to good use on special occasions !! Thanks Gang !! Alan

WOLFGANG posted:

I was always trying to find the build manual to have it scanned and loaded to SOC.  It seems like it sits on a full VW pan.  I have some photos of the molds used to flash the 359 body sitting out behind a garage somewhere. 

359-1359-2359-3

 

No, the body sits on a custom frame with a 89.5 inch wheel base, the same as the original 959 and 911. The VW pan has a 94.5 inch wheelbase. The 356 was shorter then the VW and 911. Thanks for the attachments!

You can see what CMC did with the 359 after all  they had the centre section from their old Speedster design. Only the doors on the 359 are interchangeable with the other CMC Speedsters. The whole car is longer and has a wider track to look like the real 959 Speedsters and they share the original wheel base of the 959. The Porsche 911 Speedster copied the old 356 Speedster windshield design. Becker used the 911 Speedster windshield design to create their real 959 Speedster. Of course CMC already had the old style 356 Speedster windshield design that they carried over to the 359 Speedster. later CMC even produced 959 Body Kits to convert Porsche 911's to make them look like 959s!

TOP PIC: CMC 359 Speedster (959 Speedster replica).

BOTTOM PIC: Becker 959 Speedster (959 based Speedster):

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Here's a video walk around of a 359.  It features the rare pine engine lid prop available at extra cost!  Matching fine wood battery box.  Must be original gel coat finish too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC0bK7XsWYo

Car looks nice...will have to hone up on my wood working skills in order to replace my mechanical hood prop rod, engine cover lift strut and battery box! Lol!

WOLFGANG posted:

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Body looks like 359 missing rear spoiler. Mold looks like 356. I also saw a 356 early CMC Speedster mold recently advertised on the Samba for sale! 

PS: what is that white body parked on it side? Looks interesting?

 

Around 1992 CMC had a Cobra kit too.  I've never seen one but hear they were very difficult to build.  Apparently Street Beasts - CMC follow-on company - sold them too. That's the upside down blue body.  Not sure what white one is - looks like a 550 Spyder but don't think CMC made one.

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I found some more info on the authentic 959 Speedster:

In 1987, Porsche delivered a Porsche 959 to German race driver Jürgen Lässig; who, owned the car up until he had an accident on the Autobahn in 1988. The 959 had flipped over and was severely damaged in the collision with an Audi 80 on the A 81 at Singen on the top, right front and on the side. From there it was bought by a company called Auto Becker. The damaged car went to Auto Becker in Dusseldorf where it was converted to convertible. The engine technology and the complete electronics remained untouched; Stiffeners were welded in. Becker chopped the roof off and fit a 911 Speedster windshield. They also fit a folding soft-top. Afterwards, the 959 Speedster was shown at the IAA show in Frankfurt. A collector from the US bought the car for allegedly 3 million D-Mark. The car can also be converted at any time to a normal Cabriolet, or hard-top configuration. Becker preserved the original roof to be installed if so desired as a removable hard-top - by way of a few handles and the exchange of windscreen and hood. This original style roof was supplied in a very large custom made padded box. The 959 Speedster was tested by Sports Car International in February 1992. From the waistline down the car looks like the original 959 which it is. From the waistline up the 959 in Speedster mode looks like a 911 Speedster.

It is interesting that the CMC replica 959 Speedster debuted in 1989. Reference, Peterson's Kit Car Magazine; issue, March, 1989. Therefore, CMC was likely inspired by Auto Becker 959 Speedster and got the idea to create the 359 Speedster from their replica Speedster. By then, CMC had vast experience with Speedster replicas and they wanted to make their own flag ship car for the US market since at that time all original 959's were prohibited from entering into the USA. The 359 was layed up in its own molds, and is not a 356 with extra pieces grafted on. It was certainly made with single layups. The body shape is very different from a 356's,, and the wheel base is 89.5 inches like the original 959.

Bill Prout posted:

I never liked the 959 aesthetically.

I can understand that!

I know I am in the minority here and I have owned a 57 Speedster too as well as several 911's and P-cars. But, I always liked the 959. Never really liked the 356 Speedster all that much. i know they are worlds apart. The first time I ever saw a Speedster in person I thought it looked like a upside down bathtub! Lol.

Clark

57 356 Speedster replica, 69 Porsche 912, 72 914, 73 911 RS replica, 81 924 Carrera, 82 924, 83 944, 88 928S4,  91 911Carrera 2, Dino Ferrari replica with 455 V8, 959 Speedster replica

 

WOLFGANG posted:

Interesting Blog by guy that worked for CMC in the era. He says the 359 uses thicker fiberglass than 356 shells.  Hence, heaviest shell CMC produced.  Engine bay was made to fit larger, more powerful engine to compensate.

https://classickitcars.wordpress.com/about/

https://classickitcars.wordpress.com/

Check this CMC mod - bonding 356 body parts to a 911 to create a 959.

959cmc2

And a 959 Targa conversion.

959CMC

Trio of cars (Targa, Cab, and Coup) built on Real Porsche’s built at Classic Motor Carriages in the late 1980’s.

They were called the “Ultima” and for a modest amount your Porsche 911 could be fitted with a fiberglass body kit that would make it look like a real Porsche 959.

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