Registration in California

@Ray Shanahan What did they register here in California as? Is it SPCNS or just as it is written on the Illinois title?

gotta luv Ca.

@Robert M posted:

@Ray Shanahan What did they register here in California as? Is it SPCNS or just as it is written on the Illinois title?

They titled it as a SPCNS (specially constructed vehicle) so it falls under the SB100 classification and cleared the referee. There isn't a year designation 0000.

@Robert M posted:

@Ray Shanahan What did they register here in California as? Is it SPCNS or just as it is written on the Illinois title?

Yes, it was a true challenge especially with the covid closures.

I'm sure. Just registering a regular car from out of state was tough enough.

Error Resolution Dept. is something I need to find in the Maryland MVA; been back four times with the Spyder and it's still mistakenly titled as a "1971 PLYM." Thanks for that tip. And good on ya getting to the end of your paper chase.

1971 PLYM --- it must have a HEMI!

@WOLFGANG posted:

1971 PLYM --- it must have a HEMI!

got out of Navy 3/72,bought a 70 Duster....sixbanger 225 slant engine, drove it cross country in 3 days,had it for 100K,just changed oil/tires,never hiccuped once,had the biggest trunk on it...it was a fantastic car for a guy with no money.. top speed 105 if I remember racing a mustang at 2 AM..

@edsnova posted:

Error Resolution Dept. is something I need to find in the Maryland MVA; been back four times with the Spyder and it's still mistakenly titled as a "1971 PLYM." Thanks for that tip. And good on ya getting to the end of your paper chase.

I am not sure if it will work in Maryland, but it is worth a try. I wrote the regular DMV in Illinois and cited the findings of our Highway Patrol on what the car really and truly was, a replica, and for that reason it was titled incorrectly. I told them it had to be corrected, as it rightly should, to be titled and registered. Their response was quick and helped.

Ray...What did the SPCNS registration cost you ?.........Bruce

I'm in the middle of CA SB100 process right now.  After 20 years flying as a '69 VW I thought I should "clean-up my act".  I wish I hadn't, what a hassle.

It is a simple process, actually.  But it presumes DMV personnel can do something simple.  They can't, at least not in Santa Rosa CA.  And, it is compounded by covid.

I've been at it since mid Nov.  My last step (maybe) is the BAR.  It takes a call 3 weeks in advance just to schedule a preliminary telephone appointment with with BAR.  That's coming up Monday.  After that, who knows.

Bruce  --  DMV charged me $254 for, I'm not exactly sure what.  But that was after I had to 'negotiate' them down from over $2500 by convincing them I was simply re-registering a 20-year old car that had all sales taxes paid decades ago.  In your case, your builder should know off-hand what it will cost to register your new spyder.

@RS-60 mark posted:

I've been at it since mid Nov.  My last step (maybe) is the BAR.  It takes a call 3 weeks in advance just to schedule a preliminary telephone appointment with with BAR.  That's coming up Monday.  After that, who knows.

How are things going for you now?

@JR_1979 posted:

How are things going for you now?

So I my "telephone interview" with BAR was a week ago today (actually taking 4 weeks for first available Telephone Interview!)  Nice guy, was helpful, asked a few questions, like:  Do you have your SB-100 Sequence Number certificate?  I told him no, it has been over a month since DMV said I would get it in the mail, but I do know the number.  He said without the actual certificate the process must "hold".

But he emailed me a list of everything I would need to show up with at my eventual BAR inspection and also told me I needed to have a certain PCV  (Positive Crankcase Ventilation system)  --  and sent me pictures of a system they would accept.  It was what early VWs had, a breather hose from the oil filler neck to a carb filter, and a Micky Mouse rubber 'duck bill' valve drain on the stock oil filler condensation drain.  Even though my breather system is much more efficient that a stock VW system, and easily modified to PCV, for $35.00 in parts I simply replaced what I had to a stock VW filler neck an a vent hose to an air filter.

Finally (!!!) on Friday I got the SB-100 Sequence Number certificate from DMV.   So tomorrow I will pick it up again with BAR.

We'll see . . . . .

@RS-60 mark posted:

Finally (!!!) on Friday I got the SB-100 Sequence Number certificate from DMV.   So tomorrow I will pick it up again with BAR.

We'll see . . . . .

What a process. Hope you'll keep us updated! Best of luck!

Wow!! I now understand why Kirk at VS (used to) and Troy keep the original VW Bug registration on pan based cars, which is exactly what I did here in Florida, following his advice. Simpler and transferable to other jurisdictions which makes the car easier to register anywhere.

@aircooled posted:

Ray...What did the SPCNS registration cost you ?.........Bruce

It didn't cost anything over and above the normal transfer fees and registration. The trick is getting the designation of sequence number, as only so many can pass through in a given year. They allot 500 a year and they begin in January.

@JR_1979 posted:

What a process. Hope you'll keep us updated! Best of luck!

Once you get the sequesnce number and the BAR allows it the referee part for me was a breeze. He just prints up a sticker for your door jamb that descibes the vehicle engine, carbs  and year.

@RS-60 mark posted:

So I my "telephone interview" with BAR was a week ago today (actually taking 4 weeks for first available Telephone Interview!)  Nice guy, was helpful, asked a few questions, like:  Do you have your SB-100 Sequence Number certificate?  I told him no, it has been over a month since DMV said I would get it in the mail, but I do know the number.  He said without the actual certificate the process must "hold".

But he emailed me a list of everything I would need to show up with at my eventual BAR inspection and also told me I needed to have a certain PCV  (Positive Crankcase Ventilation system)  --  and sent me pictures of a system they would accept.  It was what early VWs had, a breather hose from the oil filler neck to a carb filter, and a Micky Mouse rubber 'duck bill' valve drain on the stock oil filler condensation drain.  Even though my breather system is much more efficient that a stock VW system, and easily modified to PCV, for $35.00 in parts I simply replaced what I had to a stock VW filler neck an a vent hose to an air filter.

Finally (!!!) on Friday I got the SB-100 Sequence Number certificate from DMV.   So tomorrow I will pick it up again with BAR.

We'll see . . . . .

The easiest part was the actual referee. I had to send images to the BAR and the only critical thing is the closed crankcase set up. If you don't have one you need to run a line from the oil filler to the air filter. Good luck

Thanks Ray.

Yes, I pulled my 2332 appropriate breather-box network of vents/hoses off, and installed a stock 1600 VW oil filler and single breather line to an air filter + plus the rubber duck bill "PCV valve" on the down-tube.  And sent pictures to BAR.

CHP, Brake and Light, and BAR are all pleasure to work with.  They all know what to do and how to do it.  As far as my local DMV, well, they deserve all the bad reputation they earn.  The SB-100 process is actually simple; which by definition exceeds their ability.  One mistake after another, which took one month after another to correct. For example:  Since early February till last Friday to finally figure out how to get a Sequence Number issued (which is Step 1 in SB-100 process).

Finally!!  Today I wrapped it up.  New title, new plates, smog test free forever.

From thread above; I've been doing the CA SB-100 dance since early Nov.  It has been non-stop hurry up and wait; weeks and weeks, month after month, falling into one black hole after another.  For example:  To do the final step, the BAR visit, you first have to schedule a telephone interview.  The first available interview date was a 4-week wait.  Then came two weeks of waiting for responses to emailed information the BAR requested.  Then when they were satisfied they had all the information they needed, two more weeks were required for "review" to approve or deny my application.  After my application was approved, I BEGGED for a quick appointment date with the BAR Referee.  Unbelievably, that was yesterday and I'm all done today.  But think about it: 7 weeks just to get a 30 minute appointment with the BAR Referee, which was basically just to show up and get the SB-100 sticker and smog exempt paperwork.

Anyway, it is done.  My former "1969 Volks sedan" is now a "1960 RS SPY roadster".

I felt it was prudent to stay away from using lawsuit bait like "Porsche" on the Title and Registration.