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Greetings from a former (briefly) employee of Ryan Motors in Vista California, who also completed the first customer-built Ryan RSK-718, this before my employment with the soon-to-fold company.

My Spyder is, for several reasons, based on a VW pan (1969 IRS version). Cost was a consideration. The VW pan eliminated many costly components. Given that, my car cost $18,500 to build, plus some donated labor by friends in car shops and my own labor of over 600 hours. I was under some time constraints, so i built it in 5 months from finding a worn donor car to driving the finished Spyder into Ryan's lot. I had some innovations Ryan's shop car did not have and Bill Howard, Ryan's president and founder, asked me to create a construction manual, as none was available from GP Spyders, from whom Ryan's had gotten the body molds. I did this but Bill Howard has the CD and I did not keep a copy. I would be pleased to answer tech questions from any other builders. I believe we sold a few Spyder bodies and other components before closing, so there may be others out there.

Another reason for using the plebian VW pan and suspension is that registration in California was both easy and cheap. My car's tags cost about $40/year. I have specialty car insurance for it from the Automobile Club of Southern California. They required 18 photographs of the car, plus inspection by their agent, before insuring it. Insurance costs about $500/yr, but this may reflect my age (70) more than ordinarily low rates. I have full replacement value collision and comprehensive. Since Ryan's is out of business, I do not have ready (any?) access to replacement body parts, tho I would approack Thunder Ranch in the San Diego area for spares.

My engine uses the OE cases and little else from VW. 1835cc is the displacement with twin Solex Kadron carburetors, an Engle 110 cam, CB's 045 heads, a counterweighted crank, 009 distributor and alternator conversion. The transaxle was redone by Transform in Long Beach, CA and has all the heavy duty modifications common to desert racers plus close ratio 3-4 gears and a 3.44 ring and pinion. at 3000 rpm my car is going 72mph true. I have never driven it over that.

I fitted 11" Brembo discs to the front, tho they are not necessary, in my opinion. They do stop well, but I had to reduce the pad size to compensate for locking up the front end.

Rear suspension took much trial and error sorting. I presently use Works Performance 13.5" motorcycle rear dampers with their heaviest motorcycle springs. These do not settle much and the rear of the car is too tall so I will replace these dampers with 12" units, possibly 11.5"

I completed my car in April of 1999 and drive it weekly, tho not for great distances. It was a headache to build but that burden has been lifted weekly as other motorists always give me a thumbs up or shouted compliments!

When I worked at Ryan's (4 weeks in December, 1999) I did purchasing and data entry initially. The quality of our turnkey Speedsters was fraught with little glitches and I asked to be made quality control manager but Ryan's folded when a major investor pulled the plug. It was a sad day for the dozen or so of us who worked there. Bill Howard was a very decent man beset by problems of organization. He was a splendid creator of new business ideas, but not a good production manager. I have fond memories of him and Ryan Motors and if he should read this I would be very pleased to hear from him.

My car resides in Santa Rosa, California, where it may be seen regularly flitting between rows of vineyards here in the wine country of northern California.

Ralph Glorioso
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Greetings from a former (briefly) employee of Ryan Motors in Vista California, who also completed the first customer-built Ryan RSK-718, this before my employment with the soon-to-fold company.

My Spyder is, for several reasons, based on a VW pan (1969 IRS version). Cost was a consideration. The VW pan eliminated many costly components. Given that, my car cost $18,500 to build, plus some donated labor by friends in car shops and my own labor of over 600 hours. I was under some time constraints, so i built it in 5 months from finding a worn donor car to driving the finished Spyder into Ryan's lot. I had some innovations Ryan's shop car did not have and Bill Howard, Ryan's president and founder, asked me to create a construction manual, as none was available from GP Spyders, from whom Ryan's had gotten the body molds. I did this but Bill Howard has the CD and I did not keep a copy. I would be pleased to answer tech questions from any other builders. I believe we sold a few Spyder bodies and other components before closing, so there may be others out there.

Another reason for using the plebian VW pan and suspension is that registration in California was both easy and cheap. My car's tags cost about $40/year. I have specialty car insurance for it from the Automobile Club of Southern California. They required 18 photographs of the car, plus inspection by their agent, before insuring it. Insurance costs about $500/yr, but this may reflect my age (70) more than ordinarily low rates. I have full replacement value collision and comprehensive. Since Ryan's is out of business, I do not have ready (any?) access to replacement body parts, tho I would approack Thunder Ranch in the San Diego area for spares.

My engine uses the OE cases and little else from VW. 1835cc is the displacement with twin Solex Kadron carburetors, an Engle 110 cam, CB's 045 heads, a counterweighted crank, 009 distributor and alternator conversion. The transaxle was redone by Transform in Long Beach, CA and has all the heavy duty modifications common to desert racers plus close ratio 3-4 gears and a 3.44 ring and pinion. at 3000 rpm my car is going 72mph true. I have never driven it over that.

I fitted 11" Brembo discs to the front, tho they are not necessary, in my opinion. They do stop well, but I had to reduce the pad size to compensate for locking up the front end.

Rear suspension took much trial and error sorting. I presently use Works Performance 13.5" motorcycle rear dampers with their heaviest motorcycle springs. These do not settle much and the rear of the car is too tall so I will replace these dampers with 12" units, possibly 11.5"

I completed my car in April of 1999 and drive it weekly, tho not for great distances. It was a headache to build but that burden has been lifted weekly as other motorists always give me a thumbs up or shouted compliments!

When I worked at Ryan's (4 weeks in December, 1999) I did purchasing and data entry initially. The quality of our turnkey Speedsters was fraught with little glitches and I asked to be made quality control manager but Ryan's folded when a major investor pulled the plug. It was a sad day for the dozen or so of us who worked there. Bill Howard was a very decent man beset by problems of organization. He was a splendid creator of new business ideas, but not a good production manager. I have fond memories of him and Ryan Motors and if he should read this I would be very pleased to hear from him.

My car resides in Santa Rosa, California, where it may be seen regularly flitting between rows of vineyards here in the wine country of northern California.

Ralph Glorioso
Hi Ralph,
Your fond memories of Ryan are quite a bit different than mine. My dad bought what was supposed to be a 718 mid-engined roller from Ryan which was an absolute pile of crap. The project with Ryan was a disaster and the fact that monies were paid in advance resulted in a rip-off.

My dad passed away before he scrapped the POS that was wasting space in his garage in La Mesa. Thus, I inherited it -- with every intention of trashing the whole thing myself.
One day, after bringing it home to waste space in MY garage I was looking at it and got so disgusted I started taking the torch to it. After cutting off the whole back end of the chassis, plus a little of this and a little of that, I started thinking I wonder if . . . .?

Basically, the shell was really crude and unfinshed, and what section of chassis I kept forward of the firewall was junk, but after trashing mostly everything else, I decided I had enough to start playing with. I never really expected I would finish. It was just something to fiddle with and I still had expections to eventually get tired of it and throw it away. But eventually the project kind of grew on me and one day I drove it out of the garage.

You can find some pictures by clicking the "Photos" tab on this site. Or, since I live in Windsor and we are sharing the same back roads every weekend, we can get together some time. (I'm surprized I haven't seen you already!)

I sometimes wonder how many 718 shells Ryan made. I know of 5. Learning of your car, I can now count 2 that ended up as drivers. There is another in Marin Co. that is getting close ( http://www.spyderowners.com/forum/readmsg.asp?t=2981 ). I'd kinda like to get my hands on another shell some day, and do it right.

Send me an email if you would like to get together some time!

Mark

PS: I know you weren't there during the era of Ryan and my dad.
interesting as i had just posted a request for info re: quality and price for a set of body panels for the RS60/718? Basically it is the tub and front and rear clip only. Any thoughts on what it is worth? Located in Australia still crated form the factory unsure of how old it is.

Michel
I bought that one in Australia (Im in Melbourne) and it seems to have most of the fiberglass.
Our registration here in Victoria is very strict when it comes to chassis engineering and certification. The Ryan GP fitting on a VW and using the original title is very handy. I'm thinking of tidying up the plugs and making a new set of moulds (just in case of accidents - Melbourne drivers are the worst in the world - and I've riden motor bike across a lot of the world). So if anybody is interested send me a line at paul@arttruck.net. Does anybody know of a mid engine conversion to a superbug chassis/pan? im thinking this might be the way to go. will show my progress as I go. Talk to you all soon. Coops
Just thought I would upload a pick of the body - anybody want to guess - I think its a ryan - the guy i got it from said it was and the packing case ?? it came on was because the didn't have any more prefabed packing. soory not getting the add files menu so ill try the pic page - Caio - Coops
That is an interesting picture, but even still it is easy to make the call as a GP Spyder. And there is no reason not to think your shell came from Ryan, as they laid up the shells in GP Spyder moulds. So if there is any evidence or claim that it came from Ryan then it probably did. Also, it is 99% reasonable to expect that it must be a GP Spyder shape beacuse there are probably less than 1% alternatives floating around out there that are not originated from the GP.

As you know, both GP and Ryan are no longer in production. Rumor has it that Thunder Ranch (Southern California, USA) acquired the moulds Ryan was using. Thunder Ranch did make some distinctive changes to the familiar GP shape. So their current production body panels are not interchangeable with yours.

GP's moulds in England were inherited by Chesil. The Chesil shape seems to be unchanged from GP (except for the version with the horrible chin spoiler).

You might want to keep Chesil in mind if you think your only alternative to body panels and accessory parts is to tool your own moulds from your shell or hand create various other pieces yourself.

Mark
I'm not sur what happen to the image on the upoad - must be a mac thing:)
thanks for that mark it seems to have all of the glass bits and I will mould them asap.
So if anybody does want one just email me at paul@arttruck.net (i dont always check my posts to quickly). Do you know of anybody who has flipped a motor on an irs chassis to make it mid mounted. I was thinking of mating it to a 5 speed 914 box. Cheers - coops
Paul,
Sorry I can't help you with the 914 donor concept. It sounds interesting, but I don't have any idea about separating the donor body from the chassis, or what you would have after you did it.

One thing though: Measure the inside dimension across the 718 shell between the R and L front wheel arches. Do the same between the rear wheel arches. Obviously, you can imagine your tires have to sit inside these two dimensions.

I think (by casual observation) that the track width of the 914 is possibly going to cause the tires to sit outside the width of the 718 shell. I found that even the ball joint torsion beam front end of a standard bug was too wide -- and I had to custom offset the wheels to get the tires inside the body (and they still rub just slightly on hard corners with two people in the car). On the rears, it wasn't an issue cause I built the IRS rear suspension to fit the space I had to work between. I used custom length axles. Stock VW IRS axles would have been too wide.

So, just some more things to think about . . . . .
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