Tom Murtaugh posted:Separate question: How / when do we set up the poll to decide how to spell Subaru?
I've got no dog in the hunt, but I'd vote for "Subaru"-- since that's the actual name of the company, it's exactly two letters longer than the shortest diminutive, and the same length as "Soobie" (which gives me hives).
Do as you wish. We'll still opine, as we are wont to do.
Stan's post makes me think of the so-called Type 5 (also called an oxyboxer). It uses a water cooled engine case with the water jacket stripped off. It can use Type 1 cylinders, heads, etc. So, you get a more robust case to use with the more commonly available Type 1 other bits.
Jim is the cooling issue finally solved on your car?
Michael McKelvey posted:Stan's post makes me think of the so-called Type 5 (also called an oxyboxer). It uses a water cooled engine case with the water jacket stripped off. It can use Type 1 cylinders, heads, etc. So, you get a more robust case to use with the more commonly available Type 1 other bits.
That's a great motor, if you can find a water cooled Vanagon motor, and want to spend a bazillion dollars on machine work.
A TF1 case is all that and more, and is currently being produced, so sourcing something weird is not an issue.
Yes, cooling appears to be fixed, Ray (knock on wood). Main culprit was a brass reducer that some Richard Cranium inserted into one of the cooling hoses. It was about 3/4" o.d., inserted into a 1" hose, so it would move around a little and allow more or less water to bypass it, resulting in inconsistent performance. My thoughts are that the builder extracted his revenge when he reluctantly shipped the car to me after being threatened with legal action. There is no other way that plumbing piece could end up where it was.
I recently traveled twice over the "Grapevine", now part of Interstate Highway 5, that goes over Tejon Pass. Air temp was 85-90F, and I kept speed at 75, with coolant temps never going over 195F. That's my form of the gold standard coolant system test, and I finally passed after years of frustration.
Wow, Sorry to hear about that, it is quite frustrating to have a malicious thing of that nature done to you.
Glad to hear that you have come to the end and found a resolution.
I read up on the Aux Pump you have installed and it should do everything you need to keep it cool at idle, during running, and as well cool it after the engine shuts down.
You should keep your head gasket and other issues at bay with all that coolant circulating as well.
In fact I had thought about it before but now I am thinking of having my aux pump run after engine shutdown for a few minutes just as a safety precaution.
All in all with this platform we/I have learned a lot of subtle differences to keep in mind.
Ray
re: spelling: Anything but "Subby"/"Subbie."
Please.
Tom Murtaugh posted:Wow. Great post, @Jim Kelly. One can almost hear the blood, sweat, and (dare I say it?) tears washing through the monitor. Ha ha.
Separate question: How / when do we set up the poll to decide how to spell Subaru?
Soobie? Sooby? Subi? Suby?
My OCD kicks into overdrive any time I see it written down. Thoughts?
Soob is correct.
So when I get my coupe I'll be a "B00b with a Soob," right?
Lane Anderson posted:So when I get my coupe I'll be a "B00b with a Soob," right?
Exactly, Laner. And if there were two of you, then its b//bs with Soobs. 
Then again, we are often so defined by our cars that you could say they own us. Then it would be "Soobs with b00bs."
Lane Anderson posted:Then again, we are often so defined by our cars that you could say they own us. Then it would be "Soobs with b00bs."
Or a couple of B00bs in a Soob. A then Dr. Seuss came along and asked you to refrain from trying to rhyme like the Cat in the Hat.
Stan Galat posted:550 Phil posted:I was never going Type 1.
I think a Type 1 can be made to hustle adequately.
Just sayin.
After a man drives something that has 400 plus HP and is very light in weight he will always reach for that power to weight ratio no matter what the car is.
I am no expert on Subaru engines, but I always make sure to add their coolant conditioner to my Impreza when changing fluid or topping up the rad. That stuff is recommended by Subaru to help prevent head gasket issues.
So far, I have had no issues with 100,000 plus miles.
Rusty S posted:After a man drives something that has 400 plus HP and is very light in weight he will always reach for that power to weight ratio no matter what the car is.
Point me at that 400 hp engine that fits in the back of a speedster and doesn't add 250 lbs of thin-n-that, and I'll be all over it.
In the meantime, if I need 180-200 hp I'm happy with what I've got without the significant complexity penalty.
I know a turbo audi with 350hp has been done. 
I think a turbo subi could be done in a 356 with enough power to scare you... just saying.
Problem with that is the trouble keeping the car between the white line and the ditch.
I think what Stan is saying is that it can definitely be done. My car is living proof , but the build is complex.
The KISS formula is being espoused by El Guapo.. the king of the road
Marty Grzynkowicz posted:I think what Stan is saying is that it can definitely be done. My car is living proof , but the build is complex.
Exactly.
A WRX turbo motor with a stock ECU makes about 300 hp +/- and is an awesome thing. It's also heavy, complex, and expensive. A 400 hp WRX is completely possible, but a chipped turbo Subaru is gives back a lot of what guys turn to with the platform. That's fantastic as long as a guy knows what he's getting into. There's nothing reliable, stock, or easy about a 2.5L/4 huffing 20+ lbs of boost.
There's a point where the bell-curve to get "more" takes a pretty hard turn in the upward direction, regardless of the platform chosen.
I'll never try to make a value-equation argument for a Type 1. Once you are past 140 or so HP, power comes at pretty great cost. Pursuit of "more" takes a guy into waters where the boat often has 4 holes and 3 corks. Moving the corks around to fix one problem opens up another. It's sometimes like whack-a-mole with money, and nobody understands why a sane man would play the game.
But I think it's important to remember that you're playing the same game with a 300+ hp Subaru, which may or may not be substantively "better" for every single application.
My point was exactly what I said in the original post. A 180-200 hp Type 1, properly set-up and geared is nothing to trifle with. On the right road, it can made to run away and hide from cars with considerably more power. This was the spirit of the original "giant-killer" 356: lightweight cars putting down adequate power, adding up to a sum greater than it's numbers would indicate. It doesn't take 400 hp to go fast on a twisty road.
I disparage no one's choices, cars, or engines, as long as guys are using them in a way that makes them smile.
"...nobody understands why a sane man would play the game."
Luckily that description doesn't fit anybody here.
Bob: IM S6 posted:I am no expert on Subaru engines, but I always make sure to add their coolant conditioner to my Impreza when changing fluid or topping up the rad. That stuff is recommended by Subaru to help prevent head gasket issues.
So far, I have had no issues with 100,000 plus miles.
That is otherwise known as "Stop Leak." It works.
I wonder how confortable you feeel when you realize it is stop leak
Well said Stan. I do love both platforms yet the Subie could be made to run at a lower rpm with the right gearing you could technically keep highway speeds at 2500rpm and have a quieter experience
Every platform will have it’s issues and its learning curve not to mention its range of power to agony ratio.
With my 2110cc. I felt it left me wanting to get to 190hp and maybe goto a type IV
With my n/a subie I am essentially at 180hp I believe the power to agony ratio is shifted upward and the torque band as well.
But your point is wrll made gentleman choose yiur engines.
Ray
"Whack a mole with money" Stan--there are always wonderful new gems in your posts---plus a plethora of knowledge!
Whack a mole with money... isn’t that what this whole madness is all about
I think Ray wrote up earlier:
"I think a turbo subi could be done in a 356 with enough power to scare you... just saying.
Problem with that is the trouble keeping the car between the white line and the ditch."
Someone had exactly that at Carlisle, one year, and I drove it. Stupid-quick and probably stupid fast, too. If I were to go that route (like THAT's ever gonna happen) I would certainly go with the SAS formula and put the engine/transaxle in the back seat to balance the car, then add 50 pounds or more fore and aft at the corners to further the balancing act. These cars are so light to begin with that anything over 200hp, especially with how the power comes on with a turbo, has the potential to make a rear-weighted car a handful on twisty back roads - and God help you if you hit a Fall wet-leaf patch when the power is coming on. The rear would come around so fast you would never see it coming.
So....Do-able? Absolutely. The most intelligent choice for fun road cruising?
Maybe not.
Gordon wrote, "If I were to go that route (like THAT's ever gonna happen) I would certainly go with the SAS formula and put the engine/transaxle in the back seat to balance the car, then add 50 pounds or more fore and aft at the corners to further the balancing act."
The sentence should have read, "If I were to go that route (like THAT's ever gonna happen) I would certainly go with the SAS formula and never finish the car."
I do enjoy watching - reading- the evolution of a post! I’m definitely leaning a lot more toward a basic Subaru- Soob- Suby- motor over a type 1. But definitely not trying to make my life more complicated so would be going with a very basic - normally aspirated - 2.5 platform. Thanks everyone for the comments and thoughts.
Gordon, I would not fit in a mid engine unit... just saying.. (
With all this talk about Subaru this and Subaru that I kept hearing the Phil Collins song, Sussudio, running through my head. So I changed the words and now he's singing about an engine:
Hah!!! 
Well done Bobby Collins!
YES!!!
Robert, we have to get a Carlisle Band together now and perform that gem!
Who's Phil Collins?
Tom's son.....
Bob: IM S6 posted:Who's Phil Collins?
Carlisle Hospitality Room Band..Let's see MUSBJIM on the axe, Jack Crosby aka Iron pants on the banjo me on the hand held drums...hhhmmmm
We'll need a bass player ~
