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@Sean Seena posted:

Good to hear no badge theft issues.  Sort of makes sense, in that these cars spend a higher percentage of their time in lower crime environments as compared to a modern/errand car (e.g., parked in front of the cafe you're having coffee at, a winery, a C&C, or w/ friends, etc.).  That and there are constant eyeballs on the car from every passerby.  And to @DannyP's point, I think most people don't even know what to steal from these cars haha, at least upon first impression while they're still dazzled.  I'd just be worried about the rare guy who wants to collect a badge the same way they "collect" a street sign.

Whether for this or in general, I'd be curious to learn of any good security screw sources.  For example, I came across these guys https://www.albanycountyfasten...tant-Screw-s/859.htm (because their videos on YouTube show up quickly), they're cool but not totally exhaustive.  E.g., I think no brass/bronze/copper colored security screws.

@Bob: IM S6 Ah thanks.  I've seen them before but didn't know the name nor any backstory.  Just read a Wikipedia blurb on it "Robertson screws are commonplace in Canada, though they have been used elsewhere and have become much more common in other countries. As patents expired and awareness of their advantages spread...".  Interesting bit wrt Ford's encounter with them.  I always found it funny that slot/flathead was the main screw drive for so long (probably makes sense in terms of easier/cheaper manufacturing), and it took so long to figure out others by people who are by definition pretty handy.  Like a Robertson, which is literally a square peg vs round hole!!  Ok fine it was over a 100 yrs ago but still.

@Gordon Nichols Serendipity or synchronicity with this post??  Did the 911 owner notice what was going on?...

I was introduced to Robertson bits on a tour I helped build in 2000. I'm sold on them. Compared to a Phillips head screw, they're practically impossible to strip out. 

@dlearl476 posted:

Crazy synchronicity: there's an article in this month's R&T about phillips vs Robertson. Haven't read it yet. 

So I just read the interesting article. Apparently we have Nazi-sympathizer Henry Ford to thank for all those countless hours we've wasting drilling out stripped Phillips head screws. 

Mr Roberston patented his square-drive bit in 1907 and subsequent Canadian-built Model T's were so equipped, until Mr Ford refused to pay the vig, and subsequently used the new-fangled Phillips bits. 

And the rest, as they say, is history. 


I tell yah, it's a crying shame you can't easily get Roberston bit tek-screws, machine screws, etc.  I'd convert my entire car to them. I did buy 2 Whia bit drivers and I use those in all the hex/Phillips hose clamps I have, as well as all my Dellorto (slot/hex) mixture screws.

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@dlearl476 posted:

I noticed a 356 Registry badge on for $149 the other day.

What in the world?  That's like a 4x mark up.  You can infer that the other items are similarly marked up.  But I guess there's a price for their antique collector curation effort.

Re Ford and the Robertson screw, Wikipedia says:

"When Henry Ford tried out the Robertson screws, he found that they saved considerable time in Model T production, but when Robertson refused to license the screw design, Ford realized that the supply of screws would not be guaranteed and chose to limit their use in production to Ford's Canadian division."

I guess this isn't totally contradictory with the R&T article, but you come away with different understandings if you just read one or the other.  There are always different slants/spins of history.  Either way, it sounds like it's we who ultimately "got screwed" 😜

Also I'm fully complicit in the thread drift, but I should circle back to the OP.  Probably the worst place to do it tucked away on page 2 of this thread but hey:

So, how does a new badge effort usually come together?  Is there a usual lifecycle of X years?  Is there a vote?  A general organically grown grass roots excitement that just runs itself?  Is it too early for another round and we should try a new referendum next year?  😊

Mostly, it has been a general, organically grown, grass roots excitement that just runs itself - Until we get to the next thread drift and move on to the next big deal.

Speaking for the Carlisle badges, I did them because I thought it would be cool to have and the commemoration of the event was a good hook.  We’ve had a slew of tee shirts over the years so this was different.  We’ve also done one-off beer mugs, some artwork,  some tool bags and other things, although the grill badges have not been repeated (yet).  Variety is the spice of Speedsters.

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