When you spend money on getting the motor mount bar engraved and velocity stacks engraved but no engine tin, also nice interior in the engine compartment (?) but the air box is screw directly onto the nice stitched back panel. Stupid. That tell me he had a shop do everything and the only thing he did was write a check. I also hate people that SAY they built the car, but I built it in my garage, lol I built a bug years ago, sold it and the guy now says he built it. All he did was install a radio and wrap rope around the bumper.
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It doesn't matter who built it; the over the top hot rod dress up on a car that gets it's beauty from it's subtlety, simplicity of shape and 'less is more' look just looks wrong, and shows that those involved don't know what these cars are about. That car will never be just driven for the joy of driving, and these cars are meant to be driven. And, oh yeah, I forgot- it's still fugly.
Al
@ALB not disagreeing with your comments. But that’s the beauty of the replica. It allows one to do whatever they choose. Being able to explore any option, right or wrong.
And someone was willing to pay $50k for that exploration on this VS!
But I’m with you. I bought my car to drive and have fun.
@Kevin - Bay Area- I just think it's such a shame when people spend so much money on a car (any car) whether it be a customization, restoration or ??? that it isn't driven any more (for whatever reason). And to junk up a Speedster with all that American hotrodding crap (I won't even discuss the Russian stuff) when it's beauty is in it's simplicity of design- it's kind of sacrilegious, don't you think? But, as you said, that's the beauty of the replica- he can do whatever he wants, and to quote Uncle Stan, it's a big tent and there's room for all of us. The only problem, now though, is the guy's spent a ton of money junking it up building his 'vision' and now he can't sell it. It's a car I don't think we'll ever see at Carlisle or SLO.
And you are right, I am being a little narrow minded about this so I'll get off my soapbox now and go to bed (it is midnight here on the Wet Coast now).
But all this doesn't mean it isn't FUGLY!!!
Cars or houses can be money pits 
Banzai Pipeline posted:Bill Prout posted:Banzai Pipeline posted:they would need to have the steering wheel wrapped in ELVIS's scrotum to fetch 100K
If that's the kinda stuff you're into bud, but you might not want it known on the worldwide web.
Brothel interior not my bag
....pointing to collector value of "the KING"
Not referring to my preference or material choice
, just a reflection of value and lack thereof
The only thing left to comment on was the no of 4 skins used ... there I said it for you now we can move on to cars
If the dude says he spent all those Benjamins, I can believe it. When he says "3000 hrs", I have a bit harder time with that-- that's a year and a half, 40 hrs a week. When he says he did it himself, I just don't buy it.
What I just don't get is to spend all that money and time on something you're just going to turn around and try to sell. A guys can spend almost anything on something he loves, and if he keeps it long enough (like... until he dies), it isn't necessarily a bad deal. I've done it with a car, and now I've done it with a house.
But most of the time with stuff like this, a guy will get to the end and just want to wash his hands of it. Nobody wants to pay full price for your vision and your imperfect execution of it. At that point, $.50 on the dollar is about all a guy is going to get. Nobody EVER wants to hear that.
Ed's right- in today's market, this car will bring $50K, and that's a good price.
The problem with some guys is they’ll work on something for an hour a day three days a week for six months and they’ll tell you they spent six months on it. Sort of like telling you they’ve been golfing for twenty years even though they’ve only golfed three times in those twenty years.
Mazo yeah maybe it took a year and a half to complete but it wasn’t worked on continuously for a year and a half.
Re Stan's comment, 2 up: I resemble that remark, probably.
Nobody wants to pay full price for your vision and your imperfect execution of it. At that point, $.50 on the dollar is about all a guy is going to get.
What is the fascination with suit cases every where and 5' hood straps? Not a fan of the engraved brass coating. A giant missed opportunity in not coating the headers brass! I'd rather stuff the seats with 20 dollar bills to invest my $$$.
Doesn’t everyone want a suitcase with a 4” hole in the middle? It comes complete with the red star of revolution.
Stevepimentel posted:i think its pretty nice,love the understated color, smooth lines,some parts may be a little too much. but i would love to have the car
I would do pretty well with the latina chicks cruising that down on Niles Street in Bakersfield...
The guy in the Video is the same one that built the $100K Speedster. I think he says in this video that he sold the Speedster and used the money to build the 356B and the 912. He says he built these at home in 7 months ? The Speedster was displayed at the SEMA Show in the Coker Tire display outside the show 2 years ago now. I remember Kirk saying that he couldn't wait to get the car out of his shop. It had been there for work for months. These two new cars are so similar to the Speedster that it is uncanny to sat the least. Same colors, same wheels, same upholstery, same little chrome star that lights up with the brake lights, same trunk trunk, etc. Who am I to say ? I guess he just likes this look !.............Bruce
WOLFGANG posted:What is the fascination with suit cases every where and 5' hood straps? Not a fan of the engraved brass coating. A giant missed opportunity in not coating the headers brass! I'd rather stuff the seats with 20 dollar bills to invest my $$$.
Stan Galat posted:Doesn’t everyone want a suitcase with a 4” hole in the middle? It comes complete with the red star of revolution.
Rusty S posted:Stevepimentel posted:i think its pretty nice,love the understated color, smooth lines,some parts may be a little too much. but i would love to have the car
I would do pretty well with the latina chicks cruising that down on Niles Street in Bakersfield...
That's what I'm talking about!
Seriously, the first (exterior) pictures of the car I loved (well, not the huge negative camber, but when the rest of the car is so awesome that's an easy fix)! Until the first interior shot- and it went downhill from there...
I say more power to the guy! He's building a car to look the way he wants it to look. I'm unconcerned whether he's turning wrenches or writing a check to someone else to do so. I'm also unconcerned with his style choices, since he didn't build it for me. He's not sitting at his keyboard, he's getting something done.
Been to many car shows lately? Most have cars displayed I like to look at but would never buy. But it's a big world out there, and I'm only a small piece of it.
Press the buttons on your radio. Do you hear much that you enjoy? I know I'm becoming a dinosaur, but I really do try to keep an open, non-judgmental attitude toward the style choice of others.
I completely agree that he’s free to do what he wants, for however much he wants to spend. What I don’t get (and never will) is the belief that a guy’s individual and unique choices are going to be universally admired or rewarded. If you’re skating that far out on the edge, the ice isn’t going to be very thick.
You build something like this because it’s cool to you, no matter what anyone else thinks. I can’t imagine expecting other people to pony up full-boat for that kind of individual (and perhaps “acquired”) taste.
OMG! I'm sitting in the airport and checked my mail and one of the guys in my old 356 club is bidding on this thing (the last bid)! It'll pro'bly be the most expensive piece of automotive luggage he'll ever buy, but he thinks it's a super deal compared to an original Speedster. I'm just biting my lip (and my thumbs) while I get on my flight. 
It's a big world out there, Stan, and we only see a tiny portion of it from our front porch. Google "car shows in LA" or something similar. Guys from different backgrounds see cars in entirely different ways than this old white guy does, and there are LOTS of them.
I'm not saying their way is better or worse, just different. On one of my road trips, I passed a car club parade on the freeway. It consisted of 20 or so late-40's US domestic cars, driving low and as slow as they legally could, with fender skirts, antennas, 20" rims, the whole low rider stlye genre. Drivers were all middle-aged or older, most with long hair and full sleeves, and proud as a new papa. I gave them all the BIG thumbs-up. That's what this car culture is all about, not being insulted because some car nut dares to build a car that we all know "just isn't right".
I agree in principle, Jim, but I still don't care for this particular car. I'd have a hard time seeing it selling for more than what it was bid up to on BAT, but what do I know?
Maybe he's washing someone else's money?
I agree, Stan, that this car doesn't appeal to my style sense, but that's irrelevant. Our hobby needs to appeal to younger enthusiasts and embrace those who may not look like us. The old white guys like me are slowly becoming such a small portion of the buying public we're no longer a blip on the consumer highway.
Younger and more diverse demographics are what it takes to interest the makers and importers of goods and parts necessary to keep our replica wheels turning. We can't have it both ways: complaining about shrinking availability of parts and condemning those who seek to broaden the interpretation of what's "really cool".
Jim, I wholeheartedly agree. I recently had two conversations with two very different folks about similar ideas.
1. The organizers of our local cars and coffee tossed around the idea of only marketing it to the “exotic” audience. I told them I felt that was a waste. First, I don’t agree with what they consider exotics: an Audi R8? They made 30,000 of them so far. What I like best about cars and coffee is that it brings enthusiasts together. Whether you own a Honda civic or a DB4. (Funny because I saw these very two cars next to each other and both owners were getting along great). My 8 y/o nephew waxes up the family Volvo so my brother can drive it to cars and coffee. I love it.
2. The second conversation I had was with a 17y/o with a passion for cars (he took that motion shot of my speedster). He told me he was intimidated to talk to guys with nice cars. I told him we are all car guys at the core. Don’t let the cost of the sheet metal sway you. Chances are at one time, those guys (and gals) were a 17 y/o with a busted car that was their pride and joy. I mentioned those that give you attitude, move on. They have other issues.
I have this internal battle inside myself. If at first I completely disregard a car because of its looks at a show, I try to remember there’s a car owner that is quite proud, and a fellow enthusiast. Doesn’t mean I have to like the car, but I respect the core enthusiasm.
But then again, they aren’t fishing for top dollar on BaT.
Speaking of car shows. I went to one last Sunday over in Glendale and got first in class for showing "Rhonda" I think there were 6 in my class. A really nice guy with a really nice MG took second. Also won two raffle prizes. I never win raffles so it was a good day for me ! Here's a pic of my cutie pie !............Bruce
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Agreed, it's a big tent and the hobby needs everyone. There are probably more people seeking a total ban on cars—all cars, not just ICE-powered—then there are replica 356 owners. I want this guy on my side.
Jim Kelly posted:I say more power to the guy! He's building a car to look the way he wants it to look. I'm unconcerned whether he's turning wrenches or writing a check to someone else to do so. I'm also unconcerned with his style choices, since he didn't build it for me. He's not sitting at his keyboard, he's getting something done.
Been to many car shows lately? Most have cars displayed I like to look at but would never buy. But it's a big world out there, and I'm only a small piece of it.
Press the buttons on your radio. Do you hear much that you enjoy? I know I'm becoming a dinosaur, but I really do try to keep an open, non-judgmental attitude toward the style choice of others.
With this, and your other posts, Jim, you make some very good points. If someone builds (or pays someone to build; that point is immaterial) something, it's his and as long as he enjoys it that's great. But I also agree with what Stan said-
Stan Galat posted:What I don’t get (and never will) is the belief that a guy’s individual and unique choices are going to be universally admired or rewarded. If you’re skating that far out on the edge, the ice isn’t going to be very thick.
You build something like this because it’s cool to you, no matter what anyone else thinks. I can’t imagine expecting other people to pony up full-boat for that kind of individual (and perhaps “acquired”) taste.
what I'll add is that when customizing a car to the point where it's 'outside the accepted look or style' for that car you are kind of on your own, especially if you should decide to sell. He had a buyer at $50,000; I happen to think (as others did) that he should have taken it. That car has already proved to be a tough sell at what he wants for it ($100,000?). If he waits long enough he could get it, but he'll have to come across the right guy at exactly the right time. And then again, he may not ever run into the right guy.
I know I've been rather vocal about what I think of this car, but as I've said before, I consider myself among friends here, and if you can't tell your friends what you really think...
That all said, if I ever met the owner I would welcome him into the fold with open arms. If my thoughts in this thread were mentioned I would admit to it but also say that "it's your car and if you love it that's all that matters. After all, you're among friends here". Al
I'm not ever going to be a fan of this car. Like Al said, the first shot of the exterior and I was liking it. Then saw the over-the-top interior, and tacky under-hood and trunk pictures.
And I do agree that we need to start attracting younger dudes. At Carlisle last year they moved us a couple hundred feet and combined the show with the tuners.
Some of these guys are pretty cool, and can bring new ideas and concepts along to us. I believe Cory Drake had a long conversation with a "ricer" who had grown up a bit and has kids now. He's still got the itch to customize and tinker, but with a family he's almost required to move on from the "youth culture". We need more of these guys to check us out and join the fray.
Hopefully they won't be too intimidated to talk to us at Carlisle this year.
One of my favorite local events is a weekly one at Bear Mountain state Park. You pay a couple bucks to park and walk around and look at cars and bikes until almost dark. You never know what you'll see there, it never ceases to amaze me what you might see. Not many hang out at their cars, most walk around and check out others. I do check on mine every half-hour or so, and invariably there is a crowd. Not because of what I've done, but because most people have never seen one. They are more used to Caddys, Novas, Mustangs, and Camaros......
This is my favorite site on the net. I'm online several times/day for business and my habit is that I type in this web address first. There are many things about this site that I like, and this thread is just one of them.
Just like any family or group of friends, we don't move in lock-step. In fact, we often disagree strongly on matters of principle. However, almost all of the time, we are able to discuss our differences of opinion respectfully. I always learn something, especially if my opinion is in the minority.
I must admit that I was not exposed to respectful disagreements growing up. In the Kelly household in the 1950's, children didn't have opinions, especially at the dinner table. The risk of disapproval and punishment was too severe. I browse a few websites where I feel transported back to those days of enforced agreement and a singular dogma.
Hear, hear.
And again, I posted the BaT link not to stir up **** (though I did figure it would), but to marvel with my tribe. Everyone here is basically an outcast to some section of the car-dude universe. Porsche purists, "ain't-steel-ain't-real" HAMB types, the vast, unwashed hoards of "hmmm, that's a vee-dubya kit car, ain't it?" know-nothings. No one here can afford to be snooty about a radical overbuild, least of all myself, as I build the perfect Spyder for me, five-years-ago Arjani, and quite possibly no other person.
We'll see.
Stumbled across this video of the tufted wonder. When it's presented with music, you can appreciate it more as art than auto .... 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybtj3-5BSf4
Jim Kelly posted:I must admit that I was not exposed to respectful disagreements growing up.
I was.
I think it was one of the greatest gifts my parents gave me.
It’s the glue that holds this site together, and the greatest reason I come here multiple times a day.
You men (by and large) are gentlemen, and time I spend here doesn’t (usually) feel like time wasted.
Stan, my wife came from such a family and her ability to respectfully disagree and present a discussion from both sides was something that I learned from being married to her.
It is not common in our society for people to sustain someone else who has a complete other opinion and allow them the liberty to hold their opinion. In other words agree to disagree without disenfranchising them.
Once you live long enough you realize that truth is truth as well according to your own perspective.
Please don't confuse me with the facts ! If I want your opinion I'll give you one !
If your wrong.. I must be right ! You always........ ! You never........! And so it goes, huh
These things are conspicuously missing from this site unless they're being used in good humor
Bruce
Yeah, so I have an opinion about pretty much everything. If I could only befriend people who share those opinions, it would be a pretty solitary existence.
Most people discuss things as if they are having an argument, and most people argue so that they can force their opinion on somebody else. If there’s no possibility of changing your own viewpoint in the process of discussion, then the other person is superfluous— you may as well be talking to yourself (because that’s what’s occurring in actuality).
The Internet is generally a very poor medium for this kind of conversation, because you have no idea if other people are discussing or arguing. It’s easy to misinterpret or be misinterpreted.
Somehow, we are generally able to work through most of that, and find mutual respect. Sometimes not, but those times are the exceptions that prove the rule.
It’s generally a pretty good place to be.
To each there own. Acceptance of the job done'll be measured in $$$ and proud ownership on the other end. Although sometimes it's hard to see what someone else sees in something that doesn't makes their choices any less valid. IMHO I don't care for the car but, then again, I'm not buying.