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Yes folks, it's on.  We will be in Brevard, NC this year, arriving Wednesday 29 September, and leaving Sunday, 3 October.  That give us three days to drive some of the best roads in the US through some beautiful country.  And make no mistake, this is a driving event.  We will probably do the Rattler on one day and most certainly will do Carlos' Deliverance Run on one.  The third day could be used for whatever folks want including wineries, breweries, the Wheels Through Time museum, or more driving.  We don't do a lot of sitting around during the day, but the evenings are open for congeniality, comradery, and conversation.  While we won't have the firepits this year we will have the party room at the hotel.  The manager/owner is a car guy and tracks a Corvette C5 Z06.  I've invited him to join us on our drives.

For those who may not want to go on the more "technical" drives, there are lots of things to do in the area, but I know where I (and Stan and Carlos and...) will be .

This is a low-key, not heavily planned gathering so dinners are usually spur of the moment decisions, but we always have a good time.  A couple of times we even had pizza delivered to the hotel .

I was able to get a really good room rate for a block at the Hampton Inn Brevard, so PM me for specifics if you're interested.

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A...........SLIGHTLY..........busy weekend in Western NC and nearby East TN

Fri - Sun: Audi Club of America, Fall Treffen at Etowah Valley Resort, Asheville

Sat: Smoky Mtn PCA: Autocross at Greeneviile Airport, Greeneville, TN

Sat: Appalachian Chapter PCA: Luft Vasser, Brevard, NC

Fri-Sun: French Broad River Festival, Hot Springs, NC

Fri-Sun: National Storytelling Festival, Jonesborough, TN

Fri-Sun: Apple Festival, Erwin, TN

Fri-Sun: Ferrari Club of America, Mountain Getaway, Grove Park Inn, Asheville (tentative)

BUMP!!

So far we have:

  1. Little ol' me, of course
  2. Kelly Arnold - A friend of mine since the 9th grade who's bringing his Corvette C5 Z06.
  3. Stan and Jeannie Galat (@Stan Galat) in the Presidential limousine
  4. Bob and Anna Garrett (@Panhandle Bob)
  5. Jack and Alice Crosby (@Jack Crosby)
  6. Tom Raymond (@freshair1)
  7. Carlos Galarza (@Carlos G)
  8. Mike Warjas (@MikelB) and Dianne Croxford
  9. (Hopefully) Phil Luebbert (@550 Phil)
  10. (Hopefully) Pieter Van Rossum

Any of you in the southeast don't want to miss this.  Details are shown in the first post above.  These are some of the best roads in North America with some of the best people in the world IMHO.  PM me with any questions.

Last edited by Lane Anderson

OK, been thinking about this one for  a long time.  Lots of family stuff been weighing me down recently.  But still interested.  Our "Organizer" from SC claims that the event is loosely organized.  Hmmm, I'll say, ... but consider the source.  The agenda is stated as: Wed through Sunday; does that mean Wed is travel/arrive day, Thurs, Fri, Sat are drive-your-ass-off days?  Is that the drill?

ONE MORE WEEK!!!!

To be clear to anybody who may be considering bombing down at the very last minute:

We're based in Brevard, NC at the Hampton Inn there. Everybody is booked for Wed. night through Sunday morning. It's a loose, driving based get-together with roads, views, and friendship not available at your local C&C.

Unless I'm mistaken, this is the 4th time we will have done this. I missed it in 2019 when Jeanie and I were in Europe (which I had hoped would be a more regular thing, before the "troubles"), but in '17, '18, and '20 it was a hoot. I'll come every year Lane pulls it together.

If you are on the fence, get off and come. If you were planning on 2 days, make it 3. If you were thinking "my car's just not running right and I live 16 hours away", fly into Atlanta or Charlotte and rent a 6-cylinder Mustang, or a Kia Rio, or whatever crapbox is on the lot. We won't judge your rental car. It won't be as fun as a speedster, but I guarantee it'll be more fun that whatever else you may be doing next weekend.

You won't regret it.

It didn't happen in 2019, Mr. President.  Ron and Maddie were hoping to put one together in north GA that year, but had a conflict and couldn't.  It was a bit too late to set one up at our usual spot.  This, of course, means you've made every one of 'em.  I think you, @Carlos G, and I are the only ones who have made all three - soon to be four.

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There are ALWAYS flies in the &^%#$&^!%$ ointment!  In this case there are two, both of which will hopefully resolve in my favor.

  1. I have discovered a failed bushing in the rear suspension.  Carey has express shipped a replacement to me, which I should have tomorrow.  If I can get it installed over the weekend I still plan to drive the SC (my new short name for the Super Coupe.  Like it?)  Otherwise I will drive the BMW.  I plan to be there one way or the other, come hell or high water!
  2. Ok, about that "high water" thing .  Hurricane Sam is predicted to become a major (cat 3 or above) hurricane perhaps as early as tonight. The spaghetti models show it turning north well before approaching the coast, but if it doesn't it could impact my area.  I will track it through the next few days and make a definitive call on Tuesday.  I don't think it'll be an issue, but if it is, y'all go on without me.

If you get the bushing installed and the hurricane threatens, I recommend you pack the coupe with whatever you can and head this way. Save the coupe, I mean yourself, man.

Hurricanes suck, that's one of many reasons I left Floriduh.

BTW, it's currently 70 degrees here with clear blue skies and 50% humidity. Weather looks good for next weekend. Maybe a very slight chance of showers Saturday and Sunday.

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It's 75 here and 51% humidity, so pretty close to you.  I love it!

I've gotten the control arms out and just need to press out the old bushing and put in the new one, assuming the shipping company does it's job.  Carey tells me I may have to put them on a lathe and take off a few thousandths.  Luckily Mike Lempert has a lathe and pretty much anything else I'll need, and he's close by.

Most predictions put Sam as not presenting much of a danger to us, but If they're wrong and an evac is likely, I need to be here.  I should know in a couple of days.

Of course we might wind up back up there with y'all to escape Sam's wrath.

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That's gonna be a hoot in the mountains, Marty, but the overall luxury prize will top to the Presidential limousine.  You're a close second, though.

I need to let you all know that I have succumbed to Marty's influence and will be sporting a pair of Autodromo cognac leather string-back glove during aggressive drives where I need a good grip and want to be doh so stylish.

On the hurricane front, it looks like Sam will still be waaaaaay out in the Atlantic and more evidence points to it getting pulled north, so I think that's a non-issue.  Now if the new bushings will just get here I'll be done and ready for a quick detail.

This is gonna be sooooo much fun!

Wheel bearing?  You mean control arm bushing, I believe.  The first set was the wrong size.  Apparently they changed the control arms a bit after my car and weren't sure which side of the change I was on.  Carey fabricated a set of delrin bushings and they will be here tomorrow by noon.  As a back up I ordered a set from Summit Racing that should be here as well.  One way or another I should have the car on the road tomorrow afternoon.  Installation should take about an hour (fingers crossed).

I put the Vreds on today. They feel so darn SUPPLE. The ride was smooth before, but now it's sublime. I'm even running a few pounds more air pressure. Sticky, sticky, and you can feel every pebble and ripple in the road. I'm sold.

The 300 treadwear is almost half of the Yokohamas(560 treadwear) that were on there. The round shoulders of the Vreds should be more forgiving with the archaic suspension design.

No, unfortunately I'm not coming to Smo this year.

I just wanted y'all to know to watch out for Carlos this year. He should be REALLY "up on the wheel". He's got Vreds and a front swaybar installed...

Watch out for the NEW "Carlos Deliverance Run Machine".

Lane, I officially want to welcome you to the MEOC, or Mid-Engine Owner's Club.

Be careful, a mid-engine car's limits are higher, but there is little to no warning between going and gone. I've no idea how your car is set up. I'd take it into an abandoned parking lot and play a bit in second gear. Lift off the throttle in mid-corner on purpose just to see what happens. Mid-engine cars have a REALLY good philosophy: NEVER LIFT! That doesn't mean you have to floor it, just MAINTAIN the throttle and steer into it if the tail starts coming round. But never lift, it WILL definitely come around then.

I had a very slight throttle lift(momentary lapse in concentration) going up through the esses at Watkins Glen, at over 100 mph. The back end got loose on the left hander, there is a slight flattening of the hill right at the apex. I squeezed a tiny bit more throttle and steered into it. My instructor said "that is the one and only warning you'll ever get to NEVER lift there. However, that was a most excellent recovery, you gave it just the right amount of squeeze and reacted SMOOTHLY. Well done." Needless to say, that track has a lot of Armco and it's really narrow going up through the esses. That would have been painful and expensive. That was at the end of the first day and I was flat out from the turn one exit to the bus stop. On the next lap I was going about 135 and lost my brakes trying to slow for the bus stop. I straight-lined it, weaving through the cones and got it slowed down.

Anyway, explore the car slowly and gradually increase speeds. And the bottom line: have fun, safely.

@DannyP posted:

I put the Vreds on today. They feel so darn SUPPLE. The ride was smooth before, but now it's sublime. I'm even running a few pounds more air pressure. Sticky, sticky, and you can feel every pebble and ripple in the road. I'm sold.

I know, right?

I can't for the life of me figure out why everybody is so indifferent to these tires. They're transformational.

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@calmotion posted:

@DannyP YAP and that’s why I mentioned LOVING the auto pilot 👍❤️

I have one of those too, but you know, not the same as Marty's. Mine is named Michelle LOL!

FYI, I drove around a little the other day with the trailer and put the tow mirrors on that @LI-Rick gave me. They worked great, thanks Rick!

I'm curious how it will work out with my autopilot driving the truck and enclosed trailer next year.

Danny I pulled a LOT of miles with my trailer with the cruise control on.  Run it up to 70mph and hit cruise for the next, oh, eight hours or so (dual 29 gallon fuel tanks) and just watch the scenery go by.  The speed would vary +/-  2  or 3 mph around 70 when set, but that was a diesel.  Your gas job should vary about +/- 5 - 6mph.

After the first day of trailering under cruise, you'll be totally used to it.  

"Ain't no big thang."

@DannyP posted:

With cruise on, speed is maintained very well, except for the REALLY steep grades.

Towing is all about torque. In the case of the mighty, mighty Northstar 4.6 L V8 limo, there's less torque on hand than the trailer and extra 4 ft in the middle requires, so the 4T80E transmission unlocks the torque converter and downshifts to 3rd, then 2nd as the grade increases. We spent some quality time on the side of an exit ramp allowing the transmission to cool off a bit yesterday.

This rig doesn't strictly love the mountains, but it gets 'er done.

Wow.   I thought a Limo would be based on a 400+CI engine and that beefier, 6-speed transmission, but I guess not.

My F/250 loved hills.  Never even unlocked the torque converter when trailering Pearl and I never needed to use "trailer mode" (which mostly just unlocked the convertor all of the time).  It was a 6-speed automatic, too.  The only thing I ever noticed was the turbo boost gauge climbing up there and the transmission temp gauge would go up something like 5 degrees and hold there, but it took a really long, steep uphill (at 70 - 75mph) for all that to happen.

Now....   If I had an enclosed trailer that was not in the wind shadow of the truck bed cap it would have been a whole 'nuther story.  My little trailer and car acted like there was nothing back there.

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@Stan Galat posted:
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...In the case of the mighty, mighty Northstar 4.6 L V8 limo, there's less torque on hand than the trailer and extra 4 ft in the middle requires...



I think aerodynamic drag from the presidential fender flags is making the critical difference.

The 4T80E transmission was designed to handle the form factor of a standard presidential limo trailing a standard presidential auxiliary vehicle.

Once you add the flag package, the stock cooling can't keep up. Most embassy staffs that mount flags add an external tranny cooler with thermostatically-actuated fan in the rear driver's side wheel well.

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Wow.   I thought a Limo would be based on a 400+CI engine and that beefier, 6-speed transmission, but I guess not.

My F/250 loved hills.  Never even unlocked the torque converter when trailering Pearl and I never needed to use "trailer mode" (which mostly just unlocked the convertor all of the time).  It was a 6-speed automatic, too.  The only thing I ever noticed was the turbo boost gauge climbing up there and the transmission temp gauge would go up something like 5 degrees and hold there, but it took a really long, steep uphill (at 70 - 75mph) for all that to happen.

Now....   If I had an enclosed trailer that was not in the wind shadow of the truck bed cap it would have been a whole 'nuther story.  My little trailer and car acted like there was nothing back there.

Yeah, I'm thinking you would have been very happy with MY truck and YOUR trailer, even with the 5 speed. I can put it into tow mode or manual shift mode as well as

Diesel with your car/trailer was overkill.

Me, towing my 4500 pounds of aerodynamic brick/box is a different story. I do have 407 ft. lbs. of torque, but it's a bit higher in the rev range than a diesel would be.

My next truck WILL be a diesel.

I did the conversion and Stan's 4.7 liter is a 286 - My little '66 Mustang had a 289!

My F/250 6-liter could be considered overkill, but then again, it was never working very hard.  The trailering package gave it not only the trailer brake controller in the dash, but a beefier transmission and torque converter, larger transmission fluid cooler, a tranny temp gauge, larger engine cooling, bigger condenser for the A/C (part of the "Southern Truck" Package) and a few other things I can't remember (Oh, and the dual DVD hook-up for the back seats, too).  All THAT was the overkill part.  The PO was a lady who hauled a 4-horse trailer so figure 1,600 pounds per horse and another ton for the trailer and you get the idea of why all the beefiness.  

Let's see what I remember...  My 6-liter was pushing 560 ft. lbs. of torque.  I never chipped it.  At 70mph on a flat with no headwind it would run around 2,100 rpm and the boost would be around 10-12.  Going up that 11-mile-long uphill on I-81 from NC into Virginia in Cruise it would remain at 70mph and the revs would increase to 2,300-2,400 but at the steepest part, near the top, the boost would be pushing 40 (!!) and there was this sinister snort to the exhaust.  Kinda like Pearl's exhaust note!

Ahhhh....    The good ol' days!

Last edited by Gordon Nichols

engine speed vs road speed + weight + aero drag.

The limo wasn't meant to tow a car...  heck the car the limo was converted from wasn't meant to tow a car. 

diesel trucks have 2x-3x torque at 1/2 the rpms of that Northstar at peak.

And extra capacity tranny + cooler, +aux oil cooler, bigger brakes, punch a bigger hole for the trailer.... etc.



While Stan may have traveled there in a slower style, he got there and is hopefully enjoying the NC high-country immensely.   (the rest of us are just jealous we aren't there too..  )

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