Update on Beck Super Coupe...

I posted some teasers on the FB pages, but figured I'd post some more info here for you guys.

The Beck C coupe (currently with the in-house name "super coupe") is nearing completion.  The last of the detail work is bing done by Chuck in GA currently and then it moves back up here for final molds of inner panels and the first actual production body.  We expect this first production build to start in less than a month now.

For those who are not familiar with what we've created, here's little background/info.  Designed after the 64 coupe we've created a tube chassis tribute car that features our own design dual a-arm front suspension with rack and pinion steering.  Chuck spent quite some time engineering the front to eliminate the issues of other aftermarket a-arm kits, and he's done a fantastic job.  Proper Ackerman, and virtually zero bump steer through the full range of practical suspension movement.

The rear suspension is a bottom mounted a-arm design with parallel 4 link, much like our 904GTS, which has proven to work extremely well and dominate on the track. 

The engine cradle was designed to be the most versatile ever built.  While our initial run will be exclusively flat 4 Subaru powered in MID ENGINE, with a choice of the 5 speed Subaru manual gearbox or an automatic, we have already created interchangeable cradles to accept a wide variety of power plants in mid engine configuration.  Plus we left things open to also make a rear engine car via a different style cradle and different trunk and interior panels.  I addition, Chuck and I put this all together in a fashion that give you nearly 2" more leg room than the previous mid engine 356 based replicas.

All exterior and auxiliary molds are completed for production (sans the inner wheel wells) and the chassis and suspension component production jigs are also complete.

I'll post a few shots from last month.  Again this is the #1 pre-production prototype of the coupe, and still crude in several areas. I wouldn't normally post "in process" pictures like this, but you guys asked...  :-)  As for the chassis,  we've also completed and tested a very similar version of this chassis (in rear engine) on our Speedster and I am VERY happy (hint, hint).  I'll know a LOT more in the next few months as we wrap up all the final details and move into full production...

As of last week, the inner panels were completed, the hood and engine lid were completed, the doors were completed, the steering was completed, the hiding of the AC unit was figured out, the gauges and switches were fit up, and the floor is ready to go in.

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Ackermann is necessary due to the fact that the circle traced by the inner front wheel is of a smaller diameter than the one traced by the outer wheel.  The wheels cannot be parallel in a turn or they will fight each other trying to move the car in different arcs.  Doesn't sound good for handling.

So sayeth the Annoying Know-it-all.

Thanks everyone.  We've tooled up several new projects over the years, some for our own use and some for other companies, but this is the first one that has truly been "my baby".  It's taken a LOT longer than I had ever anticipated, but without compromise.  Still some details to sort, and as you all know, I'll probably never be done refining and tweaking.

@WOLFGANG I'm sure someone will ask for a sunroof or a rag roof... You know me, if I can make it work I'll do it.

@ALB Several reasons for the C, but in a nutshell "to be different" sums it up perfectly.  LOL  We wanted to continue to set ourselves apart form the crowd, plus our intent for the car lent itself to a more refined platform, which I found in the C.  Then, as it developed further, we realized that we'd also built a car that could perform near or at the 904GTS level in addition to being a modern day cruiser with a vintage look...

@Cliff Presley - Charlotte, NC we'll be doing exhaustive cost analysis on the first few builds, but it's not going to be cheap.  It's as complex a build as our 904GTS, if not more complex...  Our initial target is to be competitive with our Subaru Speedster dressed with similar equipment, which would put us in a mid to upper $50k bracket for a full loaded 2.5L Subaru car w/ all the bells and whistles.  I think one could approach the upper $70s with a Cayman/Boxster/911 drivetrain and braking system.  Nearly all of the verbal commitments have responded that this is where they expected to be.  A few compared a price quote they received from an unnamed "competitor", however if I never planned on delivering an actual car, I could easily match those quotes as well...

@Alan Merklin/ @Stan Galat  I thought I knew a lot about suspension function/design until I worked with Chuck.  There are so many factors to consider... jounce?  really, jounce?  LOL  The % reduction in spring rate base don the angle of the coil... and on and on and on...  Lane's diagram on Ackerman explains that well.

 

I'm all about the engine. Move into the transasxle, and I start getting lost really quickly. Move out to the suspension, and "bump-steer", "Ackerman", and "jounce"... you may as well be speaking Swahili. I get what's going on when it's explained, and I can see (and definitely feel) the differences-- but we never talked about any of this in "Senior Engine Testing" back at Tremont High School. I can spot bad shocks, and that's about it.

As I said, I don't even know what I don't know. Chuck is an amazing resource. Your car is going to be fantastic.

chines1 posted:

@Cliff Presley - Charlotte, NC we'll be doing exhaustive cost analysis on the first few builds, but it's not going to be cheap.  It's as complex a build as our 904GTS, if not more complex...  Our initial target is to be competitive with our Subaru Speedster dressed with similar equipment, which would put us in a mid to upper $50k bracket for a full loaded 2.5L Subaru car w/ all the bells and whistles.  I think one could approach the upper $70s with a Cayman/Boxster/911 drivetrain and braking system.  Nearly all of the verbal commitments have responded that this is where they expected to be.  A few compared a price quote they received from an unnamed "competitor", however if I never planned on delivering an actual car, I could easily match those quotes as well...

Carey,

Thanks for the estimate.  Personally, I have always liked the Porsche 356C coupe and hope your new venture becomes a reality for me. 

Please continue to keep us inform on your progress.

Cliff

Carey, you just trashed my dream of a 904. But that's not a bad thing.

Now I want that C coupe, mid-engine Subaru setup. I'll take a painted body/frame with suspension and do the rest. Let's say two or three years from now. Can we put a cage in it???

Looks absolutely RIGHTEOUS, and Stanley Stupid Cool!

Looks like a fine build of a C coupe. Which IMO is a better body style than the 50's bathtubs.

How far out are builds for customers? What are your goals for number of builds per year? Can fatter tires/wheels be fitted vs the typical bathtub? Width gained inboard I would guess?

The ballpark price sounds fair for what you get. Brand new with performance advantages vs an original (which could cost potentially a lot more).

 

@MaxMartens Thanks for the kind words.  Chuck (Beck) goes in for eye surgery soon (recently moved back to May 3rd) and after that recovery the production tooling is moving from the R&D shop in GA back to the factory in Indiana.  At that time we'll be painting the test mule and laminating the 1st production body (this chassis is already completed).  We won't be starting the official queue until then.  i currently have 15 verbal commitments, however I can only guess at how many of those will "pony up" when it comes time to put the money down...  I have several of them who still contact me monthly, trying to send money, but I don't want to start that until I am 100% ready,...

I am estimating that we'll be able to run a dozen units our first 12 months of production, with the hope if doubling that within 2 years.  We added 2500ft to our lamination facility last year, we are in the midst of adding  another 5000 ft2 to our assembly currently,  with plans to add an additional 5000-7500 ft2 next spring.

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