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You never know when something that is just a common occurence today will be looked at being farytale like in the future.  What was normal for one in the day becomes the dream of the other 40 years past, or 50 years past.  We are funny that way with nostalgia but if you knew what would take off you could make a lot of coin if you were able to know the future trends.

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Got another update from Carey today. A lot is going on. He did the engine and transmission mock-up. Carey said they fit like a glove.  He is starting the motor mount and the transmission mount fabrication. He said the transmission mount will be easy, but the motor mount fabrication will be more involved because the engine mounting points are well behind the current cradle. So, he will need to make a new engine cradle. While he has the engine in the car he is going to design and fabricate the exhaust system and the engine bay shrouding. He will also be working on building the suspension and measuring the lengths for the drive axles and determining wheel and tire size. For the exhaust we are using the stock Porsche headers and dual mufflers feeding into twin center mounted tips. It should look and sound awesome. On the engine we plan on dressing is up by painting the air intake plenums red.  More picture below.

Joel

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Some more pictures from Carey showing the redesigned engine cradle and the mockup for the engine, transmission and suspension. He is now completing the fabrication of the engine cradle and motor mounts and checking clearances. He is going to design and fabricate the exhaust and the engine surround. Interested to see the exhaust. Initially he wanted to use a single muffler. But space may not be sufficient and may have to go with 2 smaller individual mufflers tucked up in each corner existing through a centered dual tip.  I think I prefer that over the one central muffler. It will be more efficient, sound and flow better. Engine Suspension Mock Up.5Engine Mock Up.1Engine Suspension Mock Up.8Engine Suspension Mock Up.10

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Something new to consider.

With all the power I am going to have with the 911 engine, I am concerned as to whether we are going to be able to use and apply that power with the wheel/ tire configuration we are currently able to fit under the rear of the car. Carey has told me that the maximum wheel width we will be able to fit currently is 7". This simply will not allow a wide enough wheel/tire.

So, I asked Carey if we could widen the rear fenders. Carey told me he is not a fan of wide body 356's and to be honest, neither am I. However, I do love the look of the 1972 911 Carrera RS. So, I asked Carey if we could possibly do something like that. Carey is currently looking into this for me.

I am thinking of flaring the rear fenders an additional 2-3" to fit 9" wide rear wheel/tires and flaring the front fenders a little if necessary to balance the look and add the front rectangular air intake for the oil cooler, and a duck tail spoiler to complete the look. It would be a 356 Carrera RS. What do you guys think?

Here is a picture of a 1972 911 Carrera RS to give you an idea of what I am thinking of.

Joel

1972 Porsche 911 RS

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@Joel Roth my coupe with just 180HP is a beast with the biggest wheel /tire possible....i don't come close to driving it at its real potential...i have tried...toooo scary...my point is (as always IMHO)  why not just get a really unique car with plenty of power without the body mods that is drivable?...or else take that pile of $$$$ you are paying for a replica car and just get a GT3?....just a question   BTW...this car you are getting is going to be STUNNING & OFF THE CHART....making all our toys obsolete...i'm insanely jealous

I hear you. And to be honest, before I started on this journey, I thought about doing exactly what you are saying. But instead of a 911 GT3, I was thinking of a 911 Turbo. But in the end, I decided I wanted to build a 356 Outlaw Coupe. Then, when it came to engine choices Carey offered to build the car with a Boxster 3.2. Then, Carey offered me the option to move the engine to the rear and bump it up to a 911 3.4. The rest is history. I am committed to building this car. In the end, I know that with Carey's help I will have a very unique and beautiful driving car, that I could not just buy. We want what we want.

Marty:

I see what you are talking about. I think this is what they refer to as a "pie cut"? Carey is looking into the best way to do this. I will ask him to look at this as an opinion. I think it widens the rear without the "Bubble" look. However, I think they are already "pie cutting" the rear fenders 1" on each side and I think I asked Carey about this, and he told me they could not go 2" or 3".

Joel

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185/70/15's would go up in smoke the first time I drove this car.

You should have roughly the same power to weight ratio that I had in one of my previous Porsches. It had 10" wide rears and weighed in at 2700lb. First gear would light them up at any point. If you eased into second gear, the rears would hold until you hit the power band, at which time they would light up again until it got up to around 60 mph. Third was totally steady as long as the road wasn't messy.

So, my point is, no matter how wide the tires you put under the rear, I think you'll always be able to spin the tires without popping the clutch in 1-2.

Depending on how you want to use the car (cruising, track, stoplight racing, etc), you should think about the compromises between more grip and the body mods. Your gut seems to say go as wide as possible without spoiling the looks. If that turns out to be 8" rather than 12", I think you'll still be happy.

ּBob's car is awesome in that it can handle a large tire and it is so suttle that you can't see the width at first vision, now compare that to the other Car-dashian looking cars and they are a bit too heavy in the bumper area IMO.  The flares just do not do anything but make the car look like a roller skate.  Can you tell that I it is not my favourite look

Add to that the front end is pretty light on these cars so adding all this power gets to the edge of it's ability to hold the road that much quicker.  I don't know how you can prevent the front brakes from locking up, it happens to me and I have a full 911 front end and a 15 gallons fuel tank / cell low in front.

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@Joel Roth posted:

Marty:

I see what you are talking about. I think this is what they refer to as a "pie cut"? Carey is looking into the best way to do this. I will ask him to look at this as an opinion. I think it widens the rear without the "Bubble" look. However, I think they are already "pie cutting" the rear fenders 1" on each side and I think I asked Carey about this, and he told me they could not go 2" or 3".

Joel

Yes, they are already doing the 1" pie cut on each side as standard on the Coupes.  Going wider would most likely require total reconfiguration of the rear of the car.

RE: 911 Pictures.

The yellow car is a 1973 911 RSR, with front AND larger rear flares.

The white car with blue accents is a 1973 911 RS(or clone), no front flares and subtle rear flares.

The red 1974 car that Arden posted looks like a stock body to me.

The red 1984 is all gee-gaw modified everywhere. Quite frankly it looks like a child's toy, especially with the ducktail that it would never have for that year.

I realize that you want what you want, Joel. Pick a line though and draw it, and don't step over it in this build. The HP/tire ratio is a fine line to toe. It can be deadly if one exceeds the ability of the tires(and driver) to keep the car in line.

IMHO, Marty's turbo IM was the ultimate power/weight ratio in a watercooled car. Also Bob Carley's car and Howard Bobrow's before it, the epitome of aircooled 911 powered 356s. All three are IM coincidentally. I really like the dual radiator setup on Ray's Suby/IM as well(which copies what Porsche themselves have done with the watercooled cars).

I could stuff more power into my 550, but I won't. Currently it has 180 hp and weighs 1500 pounds. The chassis is tuned to perfection and the brakes and tires are up to it. The car has more than enough power for the chassis.

I took a ride in a gen2 Mazda RX7 with a Chevy 350 small block stuffed into it. The car was a dangerous cartoon version of itself. You could light the tires at any speed in any gear. Traction limited cars are not as much fun as you'd think.

Keep that in mind as you do your build, and don't exceed sanity by too much. You'll enjoy the car more when it's done.

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