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Hi...last week had an opportunity to call the Vintage office and ask about an ID plate for my car...(Thinking out of the box)
I am planning to participate in a rally in Mexico...I wanted to have all the numbers legible for the temporary import permit in to Mexico.

Here is the history...

I am 3rd owner of my yellow spyder and the first owner registered the car in Arizona. Well the Arizona Vehicle office assigned a number to the car, instead of using the "vin" number given by the manufacturer (ACI).

To make things a little complicated....I welded a Boxter roll bar to the chassis and too close to the Arizona aluminum sticker...the aluminum sticker ID flattened out and the numbers are somewhat not clear...

I brought this issue to my Texas vehicle registration office and ask to update the Arizona ID and replace it with the VIN of the ACI ...they went bananas. Texas said that it was an Arizona issue and Arizona said it is a Texas issue because the car in Texas! Good grief for the buro-crasy...

I have to Ask Arizona to provide a record of the registration and present this to the Texas office, etc etc.

Ok...so I wanted to just stamp on an ACI -now Vintage- the Arizona assigned numbers and the ACI reference production Number...for the paperwork for the customs in Mexico.

Sooo, I called Vintage and I got a litany of complaints about the business practices of ACI and that no help was available form his part.

I feel that we are always in a crossroad. In many aspects, some business practices see the customers as a nuisance and not as an asset.
As long as the money is in the bank, for some businessman it translate into earned money and no customer support is available...

It is important to all of us that regardless of the ownership, that the industry should encourage and support fellow members.

I see Vintage as a company that picked up the pieces of a company that failed and made something successful out of it and I congratulate the enterprising spirit of the new owner.

Nevertheless, under the denial that Vintage suffers...they are using the concept, molds and somehow a firm clientele and possible future customers developed by its predecessors and others in the kit industry.

If Vintage feels that ACI was a bad apple, Vintage with their attitude "of it is not my problem"; in time will become a bad apple too.

All I needed was an old stock plate to stamp the VIN numbers given by the manufacturer and the assigned state of Arizona numbers.

Am I the only one witnessing this type of treatment?
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Hi...last week had an opportunity to call the Vintage office and ask about an ID plate for my car...(Thinking out of the box)
I am planning to participate in a rally in Mexico...I wanted to have all the numbers legible for the temporary import permit in to Mexico.

Here is the history...

I am 3rd owner of my yellow spyder and the first owner registered the car in Arizona. Well the Arizona Vehicle office assigned a number to the car, instead of using the "vin" number given by the manufacturer (ACI).

To make things a little complicated....I welded a Boxter roll bar to the chassis and too close to the Arizona aluminum sticker...the aluminum sticker ID flattened out and the numbers are somewhat not clear...

I brought this issue to my Texas vehicle registration office and ask to update the Arizona ID and replace it with the VIN of the ACI ...they went bananas. Texas said that it was an Arizona issue and Arizona said it is a Texas issue because the car in Texas! Good grief for the buro-crasy...

I have to Ask Arizona to provide a record of the registration and present this to the Texas office, etc etc.

Ok...so I wanted to just stamp on an ACI -now Vintage- the Arizona assigned numbers and the ACI reference production Number...for the paperwork for the customs in Mexico.

Sooo, I called Vintage and I got a litany of complaints about the business practices of ACI and that no help was available form his part.

I feel that we are always in a crossroad. In many aspects, some business practices see the customers as a nuisance and not as an asset.
As long as the money is in the bank, for some businessman it translate into earned money and no customer support is available...

It is important to all of us that regardless of the ownership, that the industry should encourage and support fellow members.

I see Vintage as a company that picked up the pieces of a company that failed and made something successful out of it and I congratulate the enterprising spirit of the new owner.

Nevertheless, under the denial that Vintage suffers...they are using the concept, molds and somehow a firm clientele and possible future customers developed by its predecessors and others in the kit industry.

If Vintage feels that ACI was a bad apple, Vintage with their attitude "of it is not my problem"; in time will become a bad apple too.

All I needed was an old stock plate to stamp the VIN numbers given by the manufacturer and the assigned state of Arizona numbers.

Am I the only one witnessing this type of treatment?
Suggestion;
Go down to Harbor Freight (or whatever equivalent tool place around you) buy a set of number punches and pound the numbers in yourself.

That's what we did. The regular large manufacturers have specific ways that VINs are affixed with special plates etc., that are described in the NCIC Vin Inspection book. Trust me on this, your car is NOT listed in that book. Neither is ours. You have one VIN that is slightly damaged/obscured. Pound one or two others into hidden parts of your frame. Hidden, but readable when you show the inspector. You are not changing or altering a VIN, you are adding a duplicate in another place on your vehicle for theft prevention. Modern cars have a public VIN on the left hand side dash visible thru the windshield, usually one other and a well-hidden vin. Additionally, each removable body panel has a VIN sticker on it. My Mazda6 has 9 VINs that I have found so far.

Hope that offers a fairly easy solution.
angela
I bought my Vintage in Arizona and the VIN was assigned by the Arizona DMV and is the number on my Texas title. I have the feeling that it is very difficult to change this number and probably you don't want to since it identifies the vehicle. The suggestion to stamp the number in several places is a good idea and should establish that your Spyder is the one described in the title. Maybe Arizona can furnish a duplicate ID plate--the one in my Spyder is just glued on. Sounds like fun, that rally in Mexico. Norv
Got the numbers stamped and it will be fine! Just that the cops (in Mexico and some in the USA) if they are not educated in the art to identify cars ...it would be uneasy...I have other cars with plates of the year of manufacturing...and I have been stopped by the police more than one time for having "illegal" plates.

I have to explain the paper work and the registration process that Texas allow for original plates ...not different that custom plates issued by the state or classic plates given to judges or veterans.

Anyway, I will have all the paper with me just in case that I have an encounter with a law enforcer. Occasionally the officers are just curious.... nevertheless provable cause to stop a car and "investigate" is not pleasant...I am not oversensitive to feel harassed but. Oh well things happen.
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