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Looking to purchase a silver, pewter, or navy blue 356 roadster/convertible D with a water-cooled engine, roll-up windows, and air conditioning. My wife and I would be willing to consider a higher cc, air-cooled engine if it was the right car. 

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Thanks Theron. I appreciate and agree with your assessment. It is going to be a challenge, and we'd be open to a Vintage or JPS build (they are both exploring the option of starting roadster builds). We haven't had much success yet, and I actually contacted that owner of the car you referenced just as he was deciding to take it off the market. Dang. 

I have no doubt that Greg Leech could do a Convertible D if he decided to. I have no such confidence that JPS could.

As a guy who contracted with John Steele for something he'd never done (but was just sure he could do)-- I'd believe it when I actually saw it. Talk is pretty easy for some people-- and John has the gift of being capable of promising anything without a trace of shame.

I've been in email correspondence with both organizations about producing a convertible-D/roadster in the near future.

Duly noted about the JPS warning.

In the meantime, I'll continue to keep a look out for an IM. Please consider letting me know if you hear about or come across such a vehicle.

Beck offers a Convertible-D as well, although they’ve only done a small number so far.  Everything will now be built on their new frame, which offers multiple drive-train options including mid- and rear-mounted engines in air- and water-cooled configurations.  Modern suspensions and the option of an automatic transaxle.  They’re ramping up slowly, but it’ll be worth the wait.

There are many coupes coming up for sale if you want one of those already pre done. 

Beck can do a Convertible D but they don't do a lot of them as most choose the speedster. @chines1

There is a shortage right now from IM but there was a time when they were less in demand.   I personally think the craze for older cars will settle somewhat in time.  When is the hard question. 

BTW there is a turbo look convertible D from IM that is in the USA market which is not conventional but could be had for a more reasonable price and has been for sale for a while. It was built in 1988 and has a 2100 cc engine . Recaro leather seats which I have on my car which are very comfortable.  Asking below $30K USA.  

There is room in that price to fix & even paint it whatever colour you want if your first impression was a roadster was worth 50... Add AC for another $5K 

If it was me.  I would buy it and drive it for a while to see if this is the kind of vehicle I really wanted.  Dream ≠ reality, sell it and cut your losses.  Just trying to help. 

Owners info on the link below. 

 

https://intermeccanica.com/ath...-cooled-turbo-d.html

Flick more picts here

@Troy Nunamaker

 

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Special Edition (Beck) has a Super 90 Cabriolet with a Subi engine listed under Pre-owned inventory. For the last couple of weeks it has shown “Sale pending”. Maybe it is still available.

Troy Nunamaker posted:

I've been in email correspondence with both organizations about producing a convertible-D/roadster in the near future.

Duly noted about the JPS warning.

In the meantime, I'll continue to keep a look out for an IM. Please consider letting me know if you hear about or come across such a vehicle.

I would not be the guinea pig.  It will be a long, long wait and potential for cost over runs. There are many fine lightly used speedsters available.

Art

Used Intermeccanica Roadsters (Convertible D) do come up for sale periodically.  If  that is what you want, be patient and search around.  For quality, Intermeccanicas are about the best replica made.

The blue cabriolet is sold, and with SEMA and Daytona we haven't updated the site in a few weeks.
No used Beck convertible D's available at this time, but they do pop up on occasion.  We've even built one in navy blue and several in silver...

Windshield, doors, top frame are all that is "required" to make the change from speedy to D.  While that may sound simple, there are a LOT of variables in play and sourcing all of the parts is not only difficult but VERY expensive to do properly.

chines1 posted:

Windshield, doors, top frame are all that is "required" to make the change from speedy to D.  While that may sound simple, there are a LOT of variables in play and sourcing all of the parts is not only difficult but VERY expensive to do properly.

I asked a similar question to Henry once, but going from D to Speedster.  I got the same reply - that it was almost impossible to do the switch, and certainly expensive if it could be done.

And as much as I love the looks of the speedster, I can only get my wife enthusiastically onboard if I secure some of the “comforts” of the convertible D/roadster (roll-up windows, better convertible top fit/seal, a/c, etc.). I appreciate all the advice and will keep patiently looking.

Some upgrades can be done but the cost is so high justifying it is hard but a new build is what solves it. Think of it like renovating your old house... twice the cost most times.

Troy wrote: "And as much as I love the looks of the speedster, I can only get my wife enthusiastically onboard if I secure some of the “comforts” of the convertible D/roadster (roll-up windows, better convertible top fit/seal, a/c, etc.)."

That's just for now.

Later on it'll be "Can you make it quieter?"  Then "Can you make it less smelly?"  Then "Can you make it vibrate less?"   And, if the top's down "I don't like all this wind!"

Just buy a Suby-coupe and drive it.

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Thanks everyone. I really hadn't thought much about reworking a car, but it is something definitely worth considering. I'll chat with a couple of pros in town and get a feel for what paint/engine swap/A-C install might look like ($). 

Troy Nunamaker posted:

Thanks everyone. I really hadn't thought much about reworking a car, but it is something definitely worth considering. I'll chat with a couple of pros in town and get a feel for what paint/engine swap/A-C install might look like ($). 

@Troy Nunamaker With the car being in California already I'd send it to Greg Leach @VSpyder and have him complete the work. He's experienced with these cars, his work is second to none, and it would be convenient for you.

I recently came across an ivory, 2.0 Audi water-cooled, IM car on consignment through ThrottleStop (ID: 1M2490). Other than a cv joint replacement, the floor manager didn't have much to say about the car, but MotoCarlo suggested someone on this forum might know a little bit more about it (I'm finding the replica community to be very small and informed!). I'd welcome any insight on this vehicle. It is a great looking car online, but pictures can only get you so far. Thanks.

I would suggest trying to find a suby IM. I had a D with the 2.0 VW/Audi. Because of the extreme CV joint angles it will eat through CV boots and the joints will fail. I think it’s ok to buy the car as long as you can replace the boots yourself. The labor is very expensive. Suby cars do not have the extreme CV joint angles. 

Oh, sorry, yes, just found the site.  You could try to call Henry and IM to see if he has any information on it.  Audi engines were crate engines, new, that IM was installing around the 2008-09 years for sure,  if used in other years I am not aware. 

Other than some CV boot quicker replacement issues due to the height of the engine it should be a fine car.  You need a pre inspection. 

Phil had and IM like it and liked it. It should come with 914 front end, R&P which is a nicer drive than a traditional beam front end @Troy Nunamaker 

Hope it helps, don't wait too long, once mentioned on this list they sometimes disappear. 

Update, just posted and Phil had posted... 

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Boots are sold that are split and can be placed without removing axles but I never tried these.  Replaced 2 sets of boots in 10k miles. I never had to replace the joints but the first owner did. I actually bought some off road boots and was going to try these but sold the car and built the Spyder before I had to replace boots again. 

There is almost no info on the car at the Throttlestop. The video on the car is not on the car. Watch it and you will see what I mean. I wonder if they even have the car on hand. I guess they are counting on the British accent to sell the car.  :-)
But I  bet it can be found on Henry's site with a lot more info. 

I personally don't know of any IM owners who have done this.  IM6 cars and IM VW/Audi cars all have this problem.  Air cooled type 1, type 4 cars and suby cars do not.  You can search my threads and see the research I did.

550 Phil posted:

I personally don't know of any IM owners who have done this.  IM6 cars and IM VW/Audi cars all have this problem.  Air cooled type 1, type 4 cars and suby cars do not.  You can search my threads and see the research I did.

To be fair, my first set of IRS boots only lasted 25K mi or so in my Type 1/VW 4-sp as well. Moving the engine forward puts the CV joints (and boots) on a more dramatic angle than an engine in a stock location. 

It's a tariff I'll gladly pay for the handling improvement.

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