Envemo on Ebay

Tell me about the Envemo. Who built them? Who sold them? The guy says reinforced VW tube frame, obviously he doesn't what kind of frame it is, it's one or the other right? I can't tell if this is a Type I or a Type IV in it?

Thoughts on overall condition?? A friend of mine is interested in it.

Type 1 with a Bernie Bergmann fan shroud conversion. Be aware that BB did not have a very good reputation for quality.

I guess you can call a 2332 a 2.4 if you stretch the imagination. I agree Bergmann did not have a good reputation. But even they occasionally made a few good engines. I was not a fan of his "911 fan" setup as it certainly wasn't one. It used a Golf alternator(or even a domestic American one) and custom cast parts. It was put together, not really engineered. It was also taller and had interference issues, as you can see the cut made to the inner grille.

Envemos were made in Brazil and I believe Kevin Hines of Beck distributed them in the USA. They are well made and I am certain that a lot of hardware was cross-compatible with real Porsche cabrios.

I thought they were made on a shortened pan with a few extra mods beyond shortening. The man that knows is Carey Hines.

Pete down in NC has an Envemo coupe. My wife wants that one, done in flat black.

Definitely worth a look.

@DannyP, back in the 1990’s Bergmann was making his own stroker cranks, or so he said. He made them as regular counterweighted or full circle, from 69mm all the way up to 90mm. My point being that engine could be a 2387, 2443, or who knows?  I ran one of his 84mm full circle cranks in a drag car, never had a crank issue, spinning to 7600 rpm.

@Robert M posted:

Tell me about the Envemo. Who built them? Who sold them? The guy says reinforced VW tube frame, obviously he doesn't what kind of frame it is, it's one or the other right? I can't tell if this is a Type I or a Type IV in it?

Thoughts on overall condition?? A friend of mine is interested in it.

The Hines family was involved with the Envemo - as Danny says. They were built in San Paulo, and have a reputation for excellence rivaling IM. They built very few cars, all "C" replicas.

The Bergman engine is no "plus". I'd figure on tearing it down (or having it torn down) to see what needs fixed immediately after purchase.

Evenmos (ENgineering of VEhicles and MOtors) were built on a VW Brazilia pan.  Appears to be a small car (looks VW Rabbit size) so perhaps not shortened.  People often confuse say the CMC (also common to JPS/VS/IM pan cars) with a tube (or square tube) frame but the OEM pan is still there.  At lowest price it is a deal.  Total production was like 250? so rare.  Probably as close as you can get to a real C car without rust and Porsche tax! Said it was commissioned by Porsche and sold in some dealerships. 1600cc engine was original so heavy car for that.

I believe the Brazilia pan is similar to the Karmann Ghia in that it has a wider and more square floor.  I also believe (with no supporting evidence) that it's shape led to the shape of the original round-tube Beck Speedster frame.  @chines1, please enlighten us.

My friend had an Envemo coupe for many years and I lusted for it for almost as many. When he wanted to sell, I wanted to buy it but didn't think my wife would agree that we needed a 5th car.

It went to Kevin Hines for only $15,000 - way too low in my opinion.

I saw an Envemo in the flesh in Socal in the nineties.  Very nice!! 

There was a time when you could not hardly get rid of certain cars nowadays anything with four wheels and 200k miles sells for big money

A really sweet B Cab RNM’d today at $107K on BaT. SMDH

Aetna Blue/Red. One of my favorite combos.

@Michael McKelvey posted:

My friend had an Envemo coupe for many years and I lusted for it for almost as many. When he wanted to sell, I wanted to buy it but didn't think my wife would agree that we needed a 5th car.

It went to Kevin Hines for only $15,000 - way too low in my opinion.

It was a solid car overall, but needed just about everything.  I put over $20k into it to make it nice.  It was a very good buy IMHO, but someone without my resources would have put 2x that into it to get where I'm at...

I agree .... A lot of cars look good from 30 feet but that means you needs 30-40 K to get it restored.

@Lane Anderson posted:

I believe the Brazilia pan is similar to the Karmann Ghia in that it has a wider and more square floor.  I also believe (with no supporting evidence) that it's shape led to the shape of the original round-tube Beck Speedster frame.  @chines1, please enlighten us.

You are correct on the Brasilia pan and it has some other differences as well, most of which I don't recall at the moment, but toe board location (and therefore pedals/cylinder) and steering were a couple of them.  Ball joint front beam and swingaxle rears.

The Speedster was never intended for the belly pan and Chuck designed the chassis and body molds specific to each other for our Gen 1 cars (and did again for the new Gen 2 cars). I'm sure the Brasilia had some inspiration to the overall shape, especially with respect to the enlarged footbox area, but no one has ever said so.  It certainly was a concern with the new chassis and although it is tighter than the old round tube chassis, we were still able to open it up compared to a US Beetle.

There were a few of them in SoCal back in the 1990s ,

Plus a big pile of Brasilia floor pans that came from Manila ,

But thats another story