...just got my car back from Breman and WOW, what performance. the 11 month wait was really worth it. Myproblem is that in 4th gear, it "whines"/screams like a banshee. You can almost hear the noise over the exhaust note. Has anyone else experienced that noise only in 4th gear? It sounds like metal on metal.
Meade
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Yes, the best Rancho pro-drag gearboxes use Weddle gears in order to match the Subaru gear ratios, and the 2nd and 4th gear whine is loud, especially when brand new. 4th being the loudest of the bunch. They do quiet down somewhat as they wear in but the reduced helix angle, larger/coarser teeth and overall "cruder" gear all create noise but with the benefit of being able to h handle the torque of the Suby motor.
Is it full of the "LAT" oil that Rancho likes?
When I got my box back from Rancho it came with LAT Gearbox oil (I think it might be full synthetic, not sure) and it whined quite a bit. I know Sam at Rancho really likes that stuff, but I drained it after 100 miles or so and replaced it with 100 wt Valvoline Hypoid oil and the noise decreased by a lot. It's a little stiff going into first while moving until things get warmed up, but after that it's fine.
I totally agree with Carey, though.....Running straighter-toothed gears will always lead to greater gear noise and, after all, the tranny is right behind the rear seat. The gear whine from the transaxle on an IMSA racing Porsche is almost as loud as the exhaust note!
I believe I have the same transaxle. I have the Rancho Pro-Suby Transaxle built with the rhino case. I assume it is the same gear box you have . I can definitely hear my transmission and it is much louder and noticeable with the top up but it hasn't been issue for me so yours may be louder.
Floor insulation upgrade is a nice touch as well to deaden the sound, adding dyno 80-90 W gear lub for me is the best.
I tried full synthetic, which was great when cold but not great when warm... Dyno is stiff somewhat at the start but when warm seems to do much better than RedLine full synthetic, it even made the shifting sometimes notchy.
I also added Archoil in my tranny, and it seems to help. On Jay Leno's
Top down driving hides a lot of imperfections, read noise masking, in the powertrain.
I'll always remember in the 70's in some muscle cars the tranny made as much noise as the engine and then taking your foot off the gaz would cause the tranny to make even more noise and WHINE.
Unfortunately, type I trannies are older technology and the best rebuilding guys sometimes get all the stars aligned and the tranny is quiet, maybe quieter than most.
Some are quite noisy, whiny, etc. Add the changes to fortify the box and gears and your at a new level of cruder tech as Carey said.
I think on any new build especially a coupe, a rigorous amount of sound insulation, think double should be done. Otherwise, you will be in a drum of reverberation.
Just saying.
"Grumpy transmission."
That's what my old Boss, Sam, said to me, circa 1985, on the first test drive of my Chevy II after we transplanted the 350 and Muncie M-20 in it.
This was the normal wide ratio passenger car 4-speed. It made noises in every gear, and there wasn't a thing wrong with it. I grew to like the sounds it made.
The wine of desire...
Okay, in my conversation with Carey yesterday he explained the noise and it all makes sense. I can live with the noise; I told my wife that I have a Becker (Beck?) German radio I could hang under the dash but my wife said not to clutter it up and just live with my iPhone and ear buds...I think I'll just listen to my Suby Music... And I really like the new tranny; they must have changed the gear ratios also, so that will take some time to learn new shift habits. I LOVE IT!!
meade
Meade posted:Okay, in my conversation with Carey yesterday he explained the noise and it all makes sense. I can live with the noise; I told my wife that I have a Becker (Beck?) German radio I could hang under the dash but my wife said not to clutter it up and just live with my iPhone and ear buds...I think I'll just listen to my Suby Music... And I really like the new tranny; they must have changed the gear ratios also, so that will take some time to learn new shift habits. I LOVE IT!!
meade
Drive the whine out of it Meade. Congratulations on the new motor. You should get many many SPG (Smiles Per Gallon) out of it.
If yours is geared the same as my trans. you will love it. 2nd and 3rd gears really pull hard under heavy throttle. 4th gear with my tire sizes turns about 3100 at 72mph. Our engines live to rev anyway. I love taking mine up to 5500 rpms regularly. The Subaru powered cars Carey puts to together are really nice. Special Edition has this deal down in opinion and experience. Do you know what gears your trans in built with? My earlier post shows the tag that came on my rancho trans showing the gears used.
I found with mine that the whine progressively decreased year-over-year. Either that, or I got more used to is and/or ignored it more. Now, after several years and maybe 5-6K miles, it seems about the same as my old VW bug and I don't even notice it.
I laughed.... I wonder if that is due to progressive hearing loss.... just kidding.
I think @IaM-Ray runs a Suby box. I run a Porsche 915 5 Speed. I remember a little noise with my old Suby 2.2 but not with the Suby 2.5 Turbo engine. Maybe it just wore in.
@Marty Grzynkowicz Mr XYZ is right.
I do have a subie 5 spd.... But Marty don't you think the turbo and waste gate is cover up ... just kidding. Your car is awesome with electric seat to boot.
Actually, the turbo engine is quieter...
dammn, guess im a turbo guy...dodge ram diesel, honda CRV, Por 991 CS....they snuck up on me over the years...im gonna go check my riding mower:}
Marty Grzynkowicz posted:Actually, the turbo engine is quieter...
If my N/A engine ever goes I will look into what my options are. I am starting to think about 200hp
I can't wait to see what my Suby puts on the ground. Supposedly it puts out 230 hp and N/A. If it's not enough, I would contemplate installation of a small turbo. Outfront Motorsports installs several turbo systems. This installation on my Spyder would be pretty clean. The exhaust would be plumbed from below, up on top of the transaxle to the turban and down again and out. Intake would be a direct route to the TBI port via a nice polished aluminum air to air after cooler. I would loose the spare tire though.........Bruce
From my research a cammed N/A with custom ECU, better exhaust and intake rarely gets above 200hp if truth be told ... just saying.
P.S. Not trying to rain on your parade here Bruce but I was planning on redoing my engine a few years ago and I came to the conclusion no matter what I did 200hp was the true output for an N/A SOHC, BTW costly too, and that an equivalent amount of money spent on the turbo was by far the most bang for your buck getting you way more hp. I have yet to do it, I hope your spyder project goes well.
Yeah, I would avoid the turbo if you're all you're looking for is 200 horsepower. It's enough anyway.
I have a feeling that 200 will be enough. If not ? Well, as I said, I'll look at a small turbo installation. Actually, I would prefer a small blower. There's one for up to 2.2 Ltrs. then there a big gap to the next size around 3.6 Ltrs...........Bruce
I have been looking at older porsches and not to many are north of 180hp
first 911 130hp next 1971 911S 180hp 2300lbs then 1973 911ST 270HP @8000rpm fewq cars made.
Most 1973RS had 210hp with 2300lbs by 1977 still around 200-210hp.
P attempted the to strip weight off of some models too.
So if you have a lighter car and you get N/A 180-200hp you have a good ratio of hp to weight IMO. And Then there is Marty and Bob
aircooled posted:I have a feeling that 200 will be enough. If not ? Well, as I said, I'll look at a small turbo installation. Actually, I would prefer a small blower. There's one for up to 2.2 Ltrs. then there a big gap to the next size around 3.6 Ltrs...........Bruce
I think Phil has a similar engine and he is very happy with the engine it goes like crazy he says.
I am completely happy with my stock 2007 Suby EJ253 with variable cam lift rated at 173HP with the catalytic converter. My engine has the catalytic converter removed and an A-1 header so it puts out a tad more the 173HP I would think. I weighed my Speedster in at 1875lbs. The power is very usable horse power with good TQ. not just peaky HP at the top end of the rpm range like many built up type I engines.
Marty Grzynkowicz posted:Yeah, I would avoid the turbo if you're all you're looking for is 200 horsepower. It's enough anyway.
Enough?!?!?! Huh?!?!?! You blaspheme!!!!
aircooled posted:I have a feeling that 200 will be enough. If not ? Well, as I said, I'll look at a small turbo installation. Actually, I would prefer a small blower. There's one for up to 2.2 Ltrs. then there a big gap to the next size around 3.6 Ltrs...........Bruce
I saw a Roadkill episode where they used a few leaf blowers. It worked.
Todd M posted:Marty Grzynkowicz posted:Yeah, I would avoid the turbo if you're all you're looking for is 200 horsepower. It's enough anyway.
Enough?!?!?! Huh?!?!?! You blaspheme!!!!
I did not say it was enough "for me", lol.
aircooled posted:I have a feeling that 200 will be enough. If not ? Well, as I said, I'll look at a small turbo installation. Actually, I would prefer a small blower. There's one for up to 2.2 Ltrs. then there a big gap to the next size around 3.6 Ltrs...........Bruce
How about a "Whistle Blower?" They seem to be in the news nowadaze. 
Jimmy V. posted:I am completely happy with my stock 2007 Suby EJ253 with variable cam lift rated at 173HP with the catalytic converter. My engine has the catalytic converter removed and an A-1 header so it puts out a tad more the 173HP I would think. I weighed my Speedster in at 1875lbs. The power is very usable horse power with good TQ. not just peaky HP at the top end of the rpm range like many built up type I engines.
I agree Thé torque band is pretty awesome from low rpm to high ..
Geez Marty that thing really looks packed in there!!! Not much room for anything else!! Kind if reminds me of a poem I once herd:
I knew an old guy from Boston who drove around in a old Austin he had room for his A** and a gallon of gas his B***s fell out and he lost them !!
All this HP talk is getting me jacked up. Have driven the car in a few weeks. I'm looking forward to the final event I signed up for. My local classic car group is head up to Rich Drewek's neck of the woods. Cederburg, WI. Hopefully the weather is dry. The fall colors should be ripe by then too.
I’m happy with my close to 300 hp. Not sure exactly what the hp is, but it’s sufficient.
I think it's above that number, but who is counting when you reach 300hp. How much does your car weigh out of curiosity Bob? The rumble it makes is pretty cool no need for a radio in your car.
Napa Paul.......I prefer the roots type blower over the leaf one. It's better to get your root blown than just blow the leaf off your root............Bruce
Bob: IM S6 posted:I’m happy with my close to 300 hp. Not sure exactly what the hp is, but it’s sufficient.
It's goes like stink and sounds frickin awesome!
IaM-Ray posted:I think it's above that number, but who is counting when you reach 300hp. How much does your car weigh out of curiosity Bob? The rumble it makes is pretty cool no need for a radio in your car.
Ray
It’s a little heavier, at around 2300 lbs., with all the strengthened frame and 911 components. Six cylinders does add some weight.
It might be a little lighter when I fit the new wheels. ;-).
aircooled posted:I can't wait to see what my Suby puts on the ground. Supposedly it puts out 230 hp and N/A. If it's not enough, I would contemplate installation of a small turbo. Outfront Motorsports installs several turbo systems. This installation on my Spyder would be pretty clean. The exhaust would be plumbed from below, up on top of the transaxle to the turban and down again and out. Intake would be a direct route to the TBI port via a nice polished aluminum air to air after cooler. I would loose the spare tire though.........Bruce
When you get your suby motor will you change your name to watercooled?
Just wondering how much you guys have in your Suby swaps? Or did you purchase them that way?
