Has anyone here ever bought or sold a car through these guys? How'd it go?
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Yes, I have. I don't use them any longer after they promised me they wouldn't list another Speedster while my auction was live and then did just that.
Also, they just don't have the audience that BAT has. Far bigger money sales on BAT.
However, BAT has been very stingy with their reserve pricing lately and I suspect that you will see less of the more expensive Vintage Motorcars Speedsters being offered there if they keep that up.
I've had a few clients sell through them because they didn't want to wait on BAT (which at the time was several months). They all sold, but at 20-30% under BAT average prices. None of them reported any issues with the process or the people they dealt with, all had a smooth experience, just not the following of BAT.
@Troy Sloan posted:Yes, I have. I don't use them any longer after they promised me they wouldn't list another Speedster while my auction was live and then did just that.
Also, they just don't have the audience that BAT has. Far bigger money sales on BAT.
However, BAT has been very stingy with their reserve pricing lately and I suspect that you will see less of the more expensive Vintage Motorcars Speedsters being offered there if they keep that up.
An imaginary internet friend on another forum who buys/sells 4-5 cars a year related some negative feedback about PCMarket when I solicited opinions about listing my 968. I don’t remember the specifics, but it was enough for me to rule them out as an option.
Cars and Bids was another option that came up, but the same as Carey’s comments apply. Not as much of an audience, sale prices seem to be 20-25% lower.
Pc car market doesn’t bring the money that BAT brings. That being said, there is definitely a slow down of replicas bringing the big money. Lots of new speedsters not reaching the reserve. We all got comfortable with the 60k + prices they were fetching, but not so much recently. Maybe spring will bring out the wallets.
I believe the BAT slow down was the typical slow down that we see every year in the fall, winter and early spring. If you look at the two most recent sales just last week, you'll see that it appears to have ended.
Two Vintage Speedsters built (not Vintage Motorcars) cars just sold. One of them sold for $56,000 and it didn't have IRS suspension OR an under the dash e-brake! That's probably a record for a Vintage Speedsters built car.
Time will tell. I hope I'm right!
@Troy Sloan posted:Two Vintage Speedsters built (not Vintage Motorcars) cars just sold. One of them sold for $56,000 and it didn't have IRS suspension OR an under the dash e-brake! That's probably a record for a Vintage Speedsters built car.
Nope. Shortly before I listed my Beck Coupe a Vintage sold for $83k(!), I believe. That's what convinced me to set my reserve initially at $75k. We all know how that went.
Chris Dauerer's new chassis Beck sold not too long ago for $61k, so there are buyers out there still. Just not at quite the level we had for a bit.
The car that sold for $83k was a Vintage Motorcars built Speedster, it was NOT a Vintage Speedsters built car.
As I said, the car that just sold for $56k was a Vintage Speedsters built car it was not a Vintage Motorcars built car.
However, there was a Vintage Speedsters built car that sold for $61k last October,but it did have an under the dash e-brake. So the recent $56k sale was not the record for a Vintage Speedsters built car.
Looks like they listed it. Auction is live.
@edsnova posted:Looks like they listed it. Auction is live.
If anybody missed it, Ed's Spyder is live on PCar Market (< click that blue font -- it's a link)
That car shows exquisitely, clean as a whistle. I hope @edsnova gets what he's looking for out of this immaculate build. As I have said a few times before, if I had put so much TLC into such a car and taken such a huge amount of time and effort, I cant imagine how I could sell it. But I know that the enterprise was always a build-to-sell concept and with the idea to make few sheckles at the end of the day. I couldn't do it, but Ed has always said this is what he's about, so . . . best of luck!!
Absolutely beautiful as always, Ed. I hope you have better luck with the sale this time.
Ed's car truly is a built by hand creation. Reading the details really brings home everything he did to make this car realistic.
Bidding is active. Trying to get this driving vid placed in the listing.
Well, that should entice a few bidders.
The sun, the wind, the sound of the exhaust...
All good.
I want to learn how he keeps his driving cap on at speed - Something I have never been able to do.
Great video, Ed!
I don’t exceed 70 mph in this vid, Gordo.
What I needed here was some good old fashioned hooning. So, the car manages to run down nice suburban boulevards. Meh. Show me the twisties at 5 grand in second, need to hear those tires screaming. It's what a Spyder was designed to do. OTOH, posting on social media one's patent disregard for posted speed limits and good sense might not be the smartest thing to do ...
Respectfully, Frazer, there are at least four points in the vid wherein the engine hits 6,000 RPM. The shift from second to third at 6k occurs at 64 MPH.
The twisty part in the video, on a tree-lined two-way with falloffs on both sides, was accomplished at around double the posted limit. That road runs behind my house, and I know people who live there, so that's about as hoonass is I intend to get. The car is in 3rd though so the tach shows a leisurely 3000-4000 RPM. I direct your attention to 3:30 in the vid.
(note the speedometer-left side-in the still above: the pointer is pointing to 100—which is 62 in American money)
You will note that I intercept an SUV at the 4 minute mark.
The tires do not scream because they are summer tires and I know how to drive.
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Ed, good luck with this auction. I'd shift at 6500rpm if it pulls. You got a Raby in there, they can rev, they like to rev, and they are balanced to do so! Drive it like you stole it!
P.S.: Your video is fine, ignore the other Maryland resident. You really don't want people to think you really beat on it if you're trying to sell. Well played.
@Gordon Nichols posted:I want to learn how he keeps his driving cap on at speed - Something I have never been able to do.
Great video, Ed!
Spyders have less buffeting than Speedies. I have a cap like Ed's and it stays on up to 85 or so. It has never come off, but above 85 I take it off so I don't have to buy another one!
I sometimes use a baseball cap. You need to make the strap tight, the bill flutters but the hat stays on.
I sometimes use a string with a clip on each end and attach it to my hat and collar.
It has saved my hat more than once.
I did the same when I was windsurfing , tied one side to my harness 
I did something very similar, but with a jumper wire with alligator clips on the ends from my spares kit. It works well, but this year I may opt for something fancier, like maybe a strip of elastic material with end clips. I need something as classy-looking as Ed's hat. Mine blows off at anything over 40mph.
"hoonass"?? love it. But Danny is right: best to keep the video at some level of respectable so the potential buying public might not be frightened by excessive hooniness on behalf of the current owner/operator. Full disclosure: I think I might have skipped through some of the video, so might have missed the more spirited part. Mea culpa.
Uupdate: bidding did not meet reserve. It’s listed now at a loss. I will not sell cheaper than that, and I kind of hope no one grabs it at the buy now price.
@edsnova posted:Uupdate: bidding did not meet reserve. It’s listed now at a loss. I will not sell cheaper than that, and I kind of hope no one grabs it at the buy now price.
If you are not 100% good with the number, PULL THE AUCTION!
Don't do something you'll regret for the rest of your life. You built the thing for you. Don't sell yourself short on this.
Car is sold. Dental surgeon in Kentucky is supposed to wire money tomorrow.
Congrats & Applauso !
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Criminy Ed, a dentist?
This car deserved better.
I was hoping maybe an architect or a marine biologist.
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Hey @Sacto Mitch, at least it wasn't a politician.
Congratulations, Ed. So, um, what's the next project?
@Sacto Mitch, an architect owns my Speedster.
Seems like a cool enough cat. He's a Porsche freak, building an RSR clone, etc.
Next projects are fixing the garage roof, new windows and siding for the house, and a body-off freshen-up of Bridget. I'll re-index the torsion arms & correct the rear suspension, narrow the front beam (maybe the trailing arms?) Stiffen up the chassis, patch anything need patching, re-do all the wiring that Sheils didn't do & maybe paint her green again.
OK, but whatta yah gonna do in July when all that's done?
Congratulations Ed. I truly enjoyed watching the project evolve from day one; and all the way through to the outstanding result. The journey does come to an end though, I know. But you will never forget the journey. It was a good one!! Thanks for taking us along.
@Sacto Mitch posted:.
Criminy Ed, a dentist?
This car deserved better.
I was hoping maybe an architect or a marine biologist.
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You thought George Costanza was going to buy it?
@Bob: IM S6 posted:You thought George Costanza was going to buy it?
He only buys cars owned by Jon Voight.
@Kevin - Bay Area posted:He only buys cars owned by Jon Voight.
Well, he’s half-way there. At least it’s a convertible. 🤪
@Kevin - Bay Area posted:He only buys cars owned by Jon Voight.
Actually, that's John Voight.