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I love Slate Grey. Actually, all greys on Porsches. I think it’s an elegant color.

Back in 2005 or so, I used some FF miles to go to Indy, watch F1 qualifying, buy some swag, then fly home. As I was waiting to cross  the road heading back to the track from the unofficial swag vendors, a slate grey 911 passed by. Looked familiar.

A couple of weeks later my suspicions were confirmed when I saw Todd McQueen on a program talking about his dad’s cars. It was this Slate Grey 911 from Le Mans, with Todd driving.
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@Joel Roth posted:

Interior space and legroom in the mid engine Super Coupe was always a concern of mine. That was why I wanted to come up to Charleston for a "test fit" in your car. But when Carey told me that the customer they were building the rear engine car for was 6'3" and they had to move the seat forward, I switched immediately.

Don't get me wrong the mid engine Super Coupe is a great car. I love mid engine cars. But for me the rear engine Super Coupe is much better. After all, whatever car you buy you have to fit in it and be comfortable, otherwise what's the point?

I think you should also consider body styles as you can be 6'4" and have a short body and fit in the car, in any seat really,  but with you need a longer leg area but, if you tall in the torso you may not be able to get in the car unless you go head first... ask me how I have to get into a speedster with the top up, and hence I own a roadster, he seat is as low as it can go and I have Recaro seats rather than roadster or speedster seats.  Just confirming that fitting my body in my IM roadster build was imperative.  My first IM had a roadster seat that were low in my back.

Super pie cut  

From a car offering the IM-6 certainly has been the max offering in IM's écurie hoping the Global warming push to cut all gaz and oil comes to some reasonableness and allows us to continue with IC the others can choose E but market change by fiat is not my favourite as it becomes more religious than based on fact.

@Joel Roth posted:

Me too. I like all the Gray colors. Yours looks very nice. I see it has a single rear grill, Bee Hives and what looks like a Pre-A dash. What year is it?

It a Vintage Motorcars Pre-A coupe, so a '54-'55 copy.  Also rear engined like yours, but with a 2.5L Subaru, and pan based (IRS rear). I'm only 6' and thin enough to slide through a mail slot, so I'm not worried about fitting in it. Still in progress, but moving toward completion.

Quick reply from Carey.  A flat 6 cannot be stuffed into a speedster or ConvD.  Completely different chassis and rear suspension from the Super Coupe.  So if you want to ride with the big dogs you need a Super Coupe.  I know that in order to stuff a flat 6 into an IM, Henry had to do significant modifications to the speedster pushing the engine forward in the chassis.  This helped with handing but created drastic CV joint angles resulting in the car to eat through CV boots.  BTW this also happened to my IM which had a very tall VW/Audi 2.0 engine resulting in extreme CV joint angles.  The Type 1, Type 4 and suby cars have very neutral CV joint angles and do not eat CV boots.

Joel you might want to ask Carey if your car will require exaggerated CV joint angles.  Lots of money to change these boots if you don't do it yourself.

Might have to look into getting more performance out of the 2.5 Suby.  I absolutely will not turbo charge.  I'm so tired of turbo lag.

@550 Phil posted:

Quick reply from Carey.  A flat 6 cannot be stuffed into a speedster or ConvD.  Completely different chassis and rear suspension from the Super Coupe.  So if you want to ride with the big dogs you need a Super Coupe.  I know that in order to stuff a flat 6 into an IM, Henry had to do significant modifications to the speedster pushing the engine forward in the chassis.  This helped with handing but created drastic CV joint angles resulting in the car to eat through CV boots.  BTW this also happened to my IM which had a very tall VW/Audi 2.0 engine resulting in extreme CV joint angles.  The Type 1, Type 4 and suby cars have very neutral CV joint angles and do not eat CV boots.

Joel you might want to ask Carey if your car will require exaggerated CV joint angles.  Lots of money to change these boots if you don't do it yourself.

Might have to look into getting more performance out of the 2.5 Suby.  I absolutely will not turbo charge.  I'm so tired of turbo lag.

Phil, I am completely with you as far as turbo lag is concerned, it is just plain no fun to have yourself hurled forward when you hit the turbo it takes away completely from the car's driving feel.  I think what IM does on the 6 is the max one could do but then I don't live with it Dave Mitchell said to me, the boots was part of the maintenance and he would consider a Type IV monster instead with a 915 tranny if you did not want to change boots. @Dave Mitchell

I’d did say that years ago. That said for the shear joy of having a 3.0 and a 915 gearbox all Porsche suspension and steering the IM-6 is the best reproduction speedster one can own.

IMHO must folks want all the creature comforts if their BMW or other daily driver in a Speedster or the new “Super Coupe” and I ask why? Henry nicknamed my Speedster “The Beast” as it was simple. The extra room in the trunk was amazing! You can’t get that if you run watercooled and have AC.

Its all about personal preference. Mine was keep it simple…it’s fun toy not a daily driver!

Phil,

You don't need to suffer from turbo lag with a turbo Subi engine.  There are many fixes, from tuning, a turbo blanket, Cobb Access port, larger up/down pipe, etc.  Most competent Subi tuners can do the mods in their sleep.  If you took a ride in one, you'd be a convert.  You may want to check a Subi tuner near you.

I would agree that even with the annoyance of replacing the CV boots every once in a while the IM6 is the best 356 replica in the would right now.  Heck I even tried to buy a used one but a former member swooped in and got it.  If Carey can really stuff a water cooled flat 6 into a super coupe this should be real competition to the IM6.  True the Super Coupe 6 will lose frunk space because of the radiator but I think it will be a player and the big dog to challenge the IM6.  I might even have to sell the farm and switch waiting lists for a SC6.

IMHO water cooling not only looses space but complicates any build. Using a flat 6 911 engine while you have an issue with a dry sump tank you gain a lot. SSI heat exchangers will give you more heat than you need it want. I like the idea of Cary’s Coupe it’s a great looking car.

Its just one mans opinion. Why complicate the build. Yes a Subaru engine is cheap but those costs are mitigated when you add water cooling not to mention added weight.

Yes, Carey is using a water cooled 911 motor out of a 996. 3.4 L or 3.6 L 300-340 HP depending on what you get and how you want it rebuilt. I think he could use an earlier 911 air-cooled motor if you wanted that. However, my understanding as to why he is using the water cooled 911 motor is because the car is already set up for the water-cooled Subaru 2.5 motor. Also, if you want AC, which I do and I am sure most of the other people who are buying this car also want, it is much better to run AC off a water- cooled motor.

As far as the CV Boots are concerned, I asked him about this and he said it would not be a problem.

Believe it or not the cost of the Porsche engine/transmission vs. the Subaru is about the same. Carey told me that the cost of buying the donor cars is about the same.

Plus, for me, I rather have the Porsche engine/transmission in my car over a Subaru. Nothing wrong with the Subaru. Just personal preference.

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In the replica market there has been a movement to water cooling.  Obviously it adds reliability and power.  But it also saves build costs.  Suby is much cheaper than a power equivalent Type 4 or even Type 1.  Can't imagine how expensive a late 90s air/oil cooled 911 flat 6 would be now.  I would love to build a nice Type 4 with the 44 Dellortos I've been saving for 25 years but in reality I'll probably submit to the reliability and economy of the Suby EJ.

I actually love the idea of a watercooled flat 6 in a Super Coupe.  Its the ultimate replica progression.  Its more blasphemy.  And we clown car owners love blasphemy.  Emory would never do it.  He would spend 4 times as much chopping 2 cylinders off a 911 oil cooled engine to make 200 hp.  The clown car builder justs takes a 300 hp modern water cooled flat 6 and crams it into a 2000 lb Super Coupe.  I love it.  God bless the clown car.

@550 Phil posted:

I would love to build a nice Type 4 with the 44 Dellortos

They'd be 45s, but yeah - that'd be pretty close to the ultimate.

I've already had my 3 Speedster wishes, and I'm (mostly) content to own and operate the worlds most overengineered T1 car...

but some days when I think about how somebody smarter would have done it, I always end up back at an enormous, 4" bore injected, T4.

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The Subaru EJ-33 is 230 hp with the factory ECU, but they haven't been made since the early 1990s.

The EZ30 came up in 1999 and was 220hp. Later they made a 3.6 liter version called the EZ36 which had 260 hp. These last two engines have variable valve timing.

The Subaru engines are pretty short and should fit where a 4 goes. I know for a fact the EJ33 fits in a Vanagon engine bay(designed for a 4 cylinder watercooled) with no problem at all. I don't think the EZ series is any longer than the EJ33.

I'm sure they're ALL cheaper than the Porsche engines. Honestly, it's a replica. Does it really matter what brand engine you use?

Stan: Overengineered? Not me! Not you!

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Stan if I really thought I could take those Dellortos and build an engine with half the reliability of my current suby car I'd do it.  My Spyder is 150 miles from my primary house.  Sometimes I don't drive the car for months at a time.  All I do is keep the battery on a trickle charger.  Without fail, I turn the key, hit the starter button and the Suby fires up.  You and Danny...and many others are mechanics.  I am not.  You and Danny would never be happy with a Subaru.  Its too easy.  There is no challenge.  You guys are artists.  Me I just want to drive.  That's why a water cooled 911 with an ECU and EFI really appeals to me.  A clown car with a real Porsche powerplant with 300hp.  All I can say is SWEET!

@DannyP posted:

The Subaru EJ-33 is 230 hp with the factory ECU, but they haven't been made since the early 1990s.

The EZ30 came up in 1999 and was 220hp. Later they made a 3.6 liter version called the EZ36 which had 260 hp. These last two engines have variable valve timing.

The Subaru engines are pretty short and should fit where a 4 goes. I know for a fact the EJ33 fits in a Vanagon engine bay(designed for a 4 cylinder watercooled) with no problem at all. I don't think the EZ series is any longer than the EJ33.

I'm sure they're ALL cheaper than the Porsche engines. Honestly, it's a replica. Does it really matter what brand engine you use?

Stan: Overengineered? Not me! Not you!

The main thing with Special Edition is the ECU mapping.  They use the ECU from a 2007 2.5 EJ Subaru engine.  So that year range (approximately) is the only Subaru engine they use.  I myself would love to use a different Subaru engine, maybe a turbo, but at this time its just not any option.  Carey uses the 1st generation watercooled 911 engine (1999-2003?) because they have figured out the ECU mapping.  Carey can correct me if I'm wrong and I apologize if I have said something incorrect or misstep.  The ECU setup and making it work with the radio, A/C etc.  is the big challenge.  I'm sure my explanation is elementary but that is my limited understanding.

@550 Phil posted:

Stan if I really thought I could take those Dellortos and build an engine with half the reliability of my current suby car I'd do it.  My Spyder is 150 miles from my primary house.  Sometimes I don't drive the car for months at a time.  All I do is keep the battery on a trickle charger.  Without fail, I turn the key, hit the starter button and the Suby fires up.  You and Danny...and many others are mechanics.  I am not.  You and Danny would never be happy with a Subaru.  Its too easy.  There is no challenge.  You guys are artists.  Me I just want to drive.  That's why a water cooled 911 with an ECU and EFI really appeals to me.  A clown car with a real Porsche powerplant with 300hp.  All I can say is SWEET!

While I am somewhat mechanically inclined, I’m far from being a “mechanic.” Likewise, my Spyder sits for months at a time. My CB T1 motor has never let me down. My only problem ever has been running out of gas. (Faulty fuel gauge I’m too lazy to fix. A 2.5 gal can is my “reserve.”)

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